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It is short and good, so it's all here, not just an excerpt. It is only via the latest slip down the slope that the problems with the great divorce rage of the 60s & 70s are revealed.

We all need to do better by our families and our society as a whole.

1 posted on 08/13/2003 5:50:49 PM PDT by jocon307
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I've got an alternative to propose to Andrew Sullivan. I'll get behind gay marriage if gays get behind criminal anti-adultery laws with teeth for both heterosexuals and gays. Want marriage to mean something? Let's make it a true monogamous contract enforced with criminal laws if you are caught having sex with someone other than your spouse, even if your spouse consents. How many gays do you think would go for that?
2 posted on 08/13/2003 5:59:09 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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Please include the original title when posting an article.
3 posted on 08/13/2003 6:00:32 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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Gay divorce is hard on the couples' gerbils.
4 posted on 08/13/2003 6:02:26 PM PDT by Bluntpoint
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Bump for Maggie Gallagher- a true brave soul.
5 posted on 08/13/2003 6:03:45 PM PDT by independentmind
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Institutionalizing so-called "gay" marriage will not be the total panacea that gays themselves think it will be:

"There is little information on gay and lesbian domestic violence for several reasons. First, only since 1987 have statistics regarding gay and lesbian domestic violence been collected. The San Francisco Police Department reported no fewer than 100 calls per month for gay and lesbian domestic violence in 1987. The

New York City Gay and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project reported that 12-15% of their clients sought services there for domestic violence. Others report figured as high as 39% (Schilt et al., 1990). Second, as most types of abuse are under reported, these figures are probably the result of either under-reporting as well (Island & Letellier, 1991).

Further, there is a great reluctance in the gay/lesbian community to acknowledge battering. It makes gays look "bad" in an already homophobic society and takes efforts away from fighting homophobic elements of society.

It goes against most feminist beliefs as well -- that a lesbian woman, a woman most likely holding feminist ideals that women should be treated with respect and that domestic violence is largely a gender issue, that such a woman should hit another woman is unbelievable.

Third, this kind of violence may be misreported as well. What is really gay domestic violence is often recorded in police logs as "mutual combat." If society refuses to acknowledge the relationship, it is impossible to acknowledge the domestic violence.

The only known statistic, according to Island and Letellier (1991), regarding gay male coupling, comes from the 1989 San Francisco Examiner, which after a national study of gay men reported that 60% of gay men coupled. Island and Letellier cite Yollin (1989) reporting that 64% of heterosexuals couple, so the coupling rate between homosexuals is very close to that of heterosexuals. Island and Letellier argue that the rate for domestic violence in gay couples should be at least the same as in straight couples, as there is no evidence that gay men are any less violent than straight men.

owever, it is also possible to argue further that the incidence of gay domestic violence is probably greater that heterosexual domestic violence because;

1) there are two men in a gay couple, and either could be a batterer (Island & Letellier, 1991);

2) there is still some social norm not to hit a woman and there is no woman in a gay relationship (Island & Letellier, 1991);

3) there are the social norms that combat between men is always mutual combat and men should fight to resolve differences; and

4) there are additional stressors of gay and lesbian relationships not present in heterosexual relationships."

My bet is that the incidence of gay on gay violence is MUCH greater than heterosexual domestic abuse.

7 posted on 08/13/2003 6:18:30 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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Excellent article. I can't bear Andrew Sullivan, a person totally defined by his vice.
12 posted on 08/13/2003 6:49:45 PM PDT by Tax-chick (GUNS - the anti-liberal!)
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Legally speaking, I would welcome a consideration of infidelity in divorce proceedings. Still allow no fault where mere testimony under oath for irreconcilable differences is enough to establish the breakdown. However, the infidelity would go to custody, property division, and alimony. (I would also alow the forced restoration of maiden names in non-child marriages but that is another story.)

There should be a penalty for infidelity.
14 posted on 08/13/2003 6:55:52 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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If you want to know where Andrew Sullivan and the rest of the patriarchy-hating leftists want to take us, look at Sweden. Hardly anyone gets married there, and homosexuals are revered. Its all connected, and if you ask most gays, they'd be just as happy if marriage were dissolved altogether.

Problem is, theyll probably get their way.

15 posted on 08/13/2003 7:15:00 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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INTREP
16 posted on 08/13/2003 9:23:24 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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Bump!
17 posted on 03/01/2004 9:59:09 AM PST by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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