White without Apology

TooGoodReports ^ | 08/13/03 | Bernard Chapin

[stainlessbanner]

The article wasn't about Lincoln, but there are plenty of other threads on that issue. Rather, the piece was about how reparations and "white guilt" are not healthy for society.

I prefer not to draw battlelines on this thread; the author's closing statement sums it up pretty well.

[A_perfect_lady]

He argued that blacks have put their blood and sweat into this country’s infrastructure and deserve reparation for their effort.

Okay. Here's $45, thanks for all the cotton.

But seriously, our country's economy isn't based on agriculture. If it were, the South would have won.

[rdb3]

I prefer not to draw battlelines on this thread; the author's closing statement sums it up pretty well.

Thank you, sir! Seriously.

[bedolido]

thanks for the correction, and posting the source. It's amazing such things actually happened here. This was thought of as radical as well.

[wasp69]

No sting, GladesGuru, just the facts. But thank you anyway ;}

[wasp69]

I prefer not to draw battlelines on this thread; the author's closing statement sums it up pretty well.

Here, here.

[wasp69]

thanks for the correction, and posting the source.

No sweat. If you ever have the time to look deeper into that period in time, I think you would find more than a few eye poppers.

[XRdsRev]

Perhaps you ought to study a little bit more before you make assumptions. The Lincoln administration was working on plans to free slaves in Delaware as early as the late summer of 1861 and had hoped to expand that program to other states. They formulated a plan that would have compensated every slaveholder for their freed chattel. The plan wasn't implemented because the method of funding missed being passed by one vote.

Lincoln clearly believed slavery was wrong and evil. Anybody who has ever made a serious study of his pre-war writings and speeches knows this.

[dwd1]

OK, let's dance...

I respect everyone's right to express an opinion but I respect no one's right to be wrong in their facts.

The institutional racism did and in some areas does exist. Please refer to any Tuskegee Airman that returned after WWII and were not permitted to submit an application...Anyone who applied for admission to University of Alabama before George Wallace was president...Anyone who wanted to have lunch at the restaurant of their choice in North Carolina...The silencing of Benjamin Davis at the US Military Academy...The fact we fought the world's ultimate racist during World War II with a segregated army(or was that executive decree by Truman simply reaffirming something done earlier...
The racial profiling that is still persistent in many parts of our country today..
Separate but equal...Plessy vs. Ferguson in 1896 to Brown vs. Board of Education in 1954...1954 to 1957 Little Rock...1957 to 1964 before the Civil Rights Act...And what were these Grandfather Clauses... Oh...and Ladies...How many elections did you participate in before 1920?...

As black conservatives we are never going to have credibility if we accept the opinion of a revisionist who denies that black people have been treated unfairly by both political parties at times when it served their needs.

When the economy gets bad, everyone here knows that there is that fear that they will be laid off and that if an equally qualified black person is competing against an equalified white person for a job or a contract, the black person does not always feel that he is on an even playing field.

We will move forward if we deal with the history and the present honestly.

I would love to have a discussion about how it is that Blacks came to support the Democratic Party so heavily... I have the feeling it may have something to do with the perception that we were sold out so that Rutherford B. Hayes could gain the presidency (removing those federal troops from the south and all)... Then the Jim Crow laws... Somewhere in there, black people must have felt their best interests were not being served by the Republican Party...

We can say that conservatives treat us more fairly TODAY and we can say that conservative IDEALS serve us and empower us TODAY but we also have to understand that our acceptance into the corridors of opportunity and success are based only on what we do...We are not going to be given many second chances (or do you think that JC Watts is going to be running for Governor, Senator, or be appointed to some cabinet or administration post some time in the near or distant future)... Do you think Colin Powell is going to be given a second chance to fail?

Let us all take a breath of reality and realize that we are on our way to becoming an established interest and with the education and opportunity provided to us recently, we have an opportunity to secure our future by joining the conservative movement...

But let us not slip into complacency and think that there are not those that in both parties that will sell us out in a moment if circumstances dictate...

Also, I notice that the writer seems to always point to persons that are not necessarily in the mainstream of our community and define our entire community based on the attitudes of those persons... In other words, they tend to grasp every opportunity to think the worst of us...I think there is room for improvement here on all sides...

I would say that maybe the real truth may be that there are many among us who have outgrown what the Democratic Party has for us but we would be lying to ourselves if we walk around trying to act like conservatives have always been as fair and open minded as they are today.

Live in the present, but learn from the past...

[sauropod]

indeed.

[xp38]

The trouble with mentioning Thomas, Rice etc is that it is very likely the clerks wouldn't know who they are.

[squidly]

Lincoln clearly believed slavery was wrong and evil. Anybody who has ever made a serious study of his pre-war writings and speeches knows this.

So how come he didn't just issue the Emancipation Proclamation upon taking office, or upon the outset of the war? It doesn't appear to me that it was such a high priority for him.

[King Prout]

thanks. putting it up on my FR "about" page under "Great Quotes"

[mhking]

Why, whatever do you mean???

You are wicked bad, sir.

Funny, but wicked bad....[g]

[dwd1]

Es tut mir sehr leid, mein herr, aber das gehts nicht weil sie habe jede krieg verloren...

I think there is a case to be made that every country has parts of it's history to be ashamed of...We try to forget about the bad and remember the good... However, you may not get that much sympathy from a historical standpoint based on the fact that Germans have buried a few bodies themselves....

As I said, "Live in the present, but learn from the past!"

See you at Octoberfest... I will be driving my Mercedes, we can eat bratwurst, and I will gladly do the chicken dance after we have a weizen beer, but I think we all as American need to understand that we have not always been as fair and just as we are now and we still have more work to do. (3 years in Ramstein...Es war wunderschön)

[mhking]

Lends credence to my theory that American blacks are in what I call "The Marxist Laboratory."

And that's the polite way of putting it...

[dwd1]

Political suicide...

Also, Lincoln's highest priority was to preserve the union...

[=Intervention=]

You don't show any evidence of continuing "institutional racism." All of your examples date to 1964 or before. Additionally, "racism" is not the same thing as "sexism." And you also ignore the fact that division of labor among the sexes isn't necessarily a bad thing -- there were feminists who fought against the right to vote, precisely because they did not want to shoulder the duties that men do. In 2003, now that women are in the armed forces and are raped in war, I wonder if they were right...

[squidly]

Political suicide... Also, Lincoln's highest priority was to preserve the union...

Thank you, that's the point I was making all along.

[dwd1]

Also, I have heard that the South lost because of the lack of manpower, the naval blockade, and the lack of quality manufacturing capability...

The "Thanks for the Cotton" remark does seem to indicate a dismissive, patronizing, and perhaps unsympathetic attitude but that is your right.