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The Return of Pete Rose(Exclusive--He's Back in Baseball in 2004)
baseball prospectus ^ | Aug. 12, 2003 | Derek Zumsteg and Will Carroll

Posted on 08/12/2003 7:28:41 AM PDT by Ray Kinsella

Pete Rose and Major League Baseball have reached an agreement that would allow him to return to baseball in 2004, and includes no admission of wrongdoing by Rose, Baseball Prospectus has learned. According to several sources, Rose signed the agreement after a series of pre-season meetings between Rose, Hall of Fame member Mike Schmidt, and at different times, high-level representatives of Major League Baseball, including Bob DuPuy, Major League Baseball's Chief Operating Officer, and Allan H. "Bud" Selig, Commissioner of Major League Baseball.

The agreement includes removal of Rose from baseball's permanently ineligible list. This would allow Rose to appear on ballots for baseball's Hall of Fame, which bars such banned players from consideration. The agreement allows Rose to be employed by a team in the 2004 season, as long as that position does not involve the day to day operations. That employment restriction would be removed after a year, allowing Rose to return to managing a team as early as the 2005 season if a position is offered to him.

In December, several publications reported that Rose and Bud Selig met in Milwaukee last winter, and that lawyers for both sides were exchanging proposals to end Rose's lifetime ban from baseball. Jayson Stark of ESPN wrote in a column August 7th that Reds owner Carl Lindner intends to hire Rose as the team's manager and has agitated for Rose's reinstatement for some time.

Pete Rose has been banned from baseball since he reached an agreement with then-Commissioner Bart Giamatti that included a lifetime ban from baseball for conduct detrimental to the sport, but which did not include an admission that Rose gambled on baseball. The August 23, 1989 agreement ended the investigation by baseball, led by John Dowd. Dowd's findings are published at www.dowdreport.com. Dowd concluded that Rose had bet on games he was involved in, citing such evidence as telephone records including calls to a bookie from the Reds clubhouse, bank records of large payments, and betting notes that handwriting experts identified as Rose's, which matched records of bookie Ron Peters. Baseball Prospectus has published several articles on the continuing controversy over Rose, including a lengthy evaluation of baseball historian and Boston Red Sox analyst Bill James's criticisms of the Dowd Report. Rose has always denied that he has bet on baseball.

The agreement would secure a place on the Hall of Fame ballot for Rose as his eligibility window closes. Rose played his last season in 1986, and Hall of Fame eligibility rules require that a player appear within 20 years of the end of their playing career. There would be significant barriers to Rose appearing on the 2004 ballot, which would leave only one year of eligibility for election by voters at large. If Rose failed to be elected by a vote, he would have to be selected by the Veterans' Committee.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: baseball; budselig; dishonor; peterose; peterrose; travesty
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1 posted on 08/12/2003 7:28:41 AM PDT by Ray Kinsella
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To: Ray Kinsella
Free Shoeless Joe Jackson!
2 posted on 08/12/2003 7:30:28 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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To: Ray Kinsella
If you bet, he will come...
3 posted on 08/12/2003 7:30:45 AM PDT by RoughDobermann (There is no spoon)
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To: D. Brian Carter
Amen! Someone made a good point awhile back about Joe. The ban was for life--his life is over so let him in. I know it might seem hollow, him being dead and all. But if the evidence means anything he did nothing to throw that Series.
4 posted on 08/12/2003 7:32:06 AM PDT by Ray Kinsella
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To: Ray Kinsella
I was actually being sarcastic... Pete Rose deserves at least the Shoeless Joe treatment, IMHO.
5 posted on 08/12/2003 7:33:00 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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To: Ray Kinsella
Thanks for posting this. Since BP went pay per read I haven't been able to read the awesome articles. My favorite BP article was the one describing batted ball put in play batting avg..
6 posted on 08/12/2003 7:33:03 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: Ray Kinsella
Rose coming back will bring a lot of added interest to baseball. Whatever one thinks of Rose, and he is IMO a selfish bastard, the guy knows and loves the game. He will generate a lot of buzz and I believe will be successful in a coaching position.
7 posted on 08/12/2003 7:33:41 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Ray Kinsella
But if you're interested, go here: Shoeless Joe Jackson's Virtual Hall of Fame.
8 posted on 08/12/2003 7:34:01 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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To: D. Brian Carter
Free Shoeless Joe Jackson!

Did they ever allow him into the Hall of Fame? I'm glad Rose is getting another chance. He made a mistake... but he was one of the greatest ever...

9 posted on 08/12/2003 7:34:05 AM PDT by bedolido (None of us is as dumb as all of us!)
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To: Ray Kinsella
This is a disgrace. But with that clown Selig in charge, anything is possible. This s.o.b. is as unrepetant as Clinton. Yeah, Pete, all those phone call logs, fingerprints, and other evidence were made up in a conspiracy to get you out of baseball. Hell, Hertz should just go sign O.J. back up for more commercials. Time has passed, let's move on, right? Bastard Selig.
10 posted on 08/12/2003 7:34:46 AM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: Ray Kinsella; Wrigley
HALLELUJAH! PETE'S BACK!

Signed,
Hometown Cincy Fan


11 posted on 08/12/2003 7:35:42 AM PDT by xzins
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To: bedolido
Pete Rose and Major League Baseball have reached an agreement that would allow him to return to baseball in 2004, and includes no admission of wrongdoing by Rose...

If true, than this is an outrage. I am sure that every criminal would like to be allowed back into society without having to admit he ever did anything wrong. IF this is true than the front office of MLB has betrayed the game. For shame!

12 posted on 08/12/2003 7:37:12 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: GreatOne
Couldn't agree more. Has there ever been a man who tried so much to singlehandedly ruin the game? Besides Steinbrenner of course;)
13 posted on 08/12/2003 7:37:47 AM PDT by Ray Kinsella
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To: bedolido
Rose won't even ADMIT he made a mistake. Maybe if he showed a little contrition, I'd have a different point of view, but his arrogance and inability to take responsibility for his actions, on top of what those actions were, put me in a mind to never let the guy near MLB again.
14 posted on 08/12/2003 7:38:07 AM PDT by D. Brian Carter
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To: bedolido
I'm glad Rose is getting another chance. He made a mistake... but he was one of the greatest ever...

So did O.J. Granted the severity is much different, but our nation is refusing to enforce any standards at all because we feel "sorry" for the perp.

Time heals all wounds and the American sheeple will probably be embracing O.J. within the decade.

15 posted on 08/12/2003 7:38:34 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: D. Brian Carter
Their crimes were far different, Joe's being the THROWING of a World Series for money,

But

I agree.

There's no indication I've ever read that Shoeless Joe ever threw other games prior to that particular series.

Posthumous entry for his excellent career up to that point. After all, his ban was only for "life," and his life has been over a long time.

16 posted on 08/12/2003 7:38:47 AM PDT by xzins
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To: GreatOne
Rose is a womanizing,gambling junkie,drunk. He should fit right in with the current crop of baseball players in 2003. His managing skills are piss poor so the hype to get him on the bench for a team shouldn't really be anything of real substance...more for the fans to see him come out on the field when a call doesn't go his way and he can throw a tantrum.

PR machine in full effect folks...this is baseball cramming for any kind of good PR it can get right now.

17 posted on 08/12/2003 7:39:08 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Which one will lose? Depends on what I choose or maybe which voice...I ignore.)
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To: GreatOne
This is a disgrace. But with that clown Selig in charge, anything is possible. This s.o.b. is as unrepetant as Clinton.

Agreed. It is a disgrace. Pete Rose hasn't suffered in any measurable way. He has wandered around to card shows making a packet and being lionized by misguided fans. He goes on television and whines that he never did anything to deserve this, boo hoo.

18 posted on 08/12/2003 7:39:57 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
baseball ping.
19 posted on 08/12/2003 7:40:43 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Zack Nguyen
No admission could mean that they recognized they didn't have the rock solid proof that he had bet against his team.....something they were never able to prove.

Pete admitted to betting on others and, regarding the Reds, only on them to win.

20 posted on 08/12/2003 7:40:59 AM PDT by xzins
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