The Liberal Takeover of American Protestanism

Crossed Fingers: How Liberals Captured the Presbyterian Church ^ | 1996 | Gary North

[Zack Nguyen]

I don't think Criswell or CFNI are seminaries. Rather I think they are just colleges. SWBTS and DTS are excellent, though. Thanks for bringing up the others as I know little of them.

[Zack Nguyen]

Excellent summation. Thanks for the info.

[Zack Nguyen]

I hope he learns to stand agains thte culture rather than allow it to change him.

[WhiteGuy]

BRIAN: Are you the Judean People's Front?

REG: F- off!

BRIAN: What?

REG: Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk.

FRANCIS: Wankers.

BRIAN: Can I... join your group?

REG: No. Piss off.

BRIAN: I didn't want to sell this stuff. It's only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.

PEOPLE'S FRONT OF JUDEA: Shhhh. Shhhh. Shhh. Shh. Shhhh.

REG: Schtum.

JUDITH: Are you sure?

BRIAN: Oh, dead sure. I hate the Romans already.

REG: Listen. If you really wanted to join the P.F.J., you'd have to really hate the Romans.

BRIAN: I do!

REG: Oh, yeah? How much?

BRIAN: A lot!

REG: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the f - ing Judean People's Front.

P.F.J.: Yeah...

JUDITH: Splitters.

P.F.J.: Splitters...

FRANCIS: And the Judean Popular People's Front.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

LORETTA: And the People's Front of Judea.

P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...

REG: What?

LORETTA: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.

REG: We're the People's Front of Judea!

LORETTA: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.

REG: People's Front! C-huh.

FRANCIS: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?

REG: He's over there.

P.F.J.: Splitter!

[marsh2]

here is an interesting site for "progressive" Presbyterians:
http://www.witherspoonsociety.org/index.html

Here is a general article on the greening of the church:
http://www.worldwatch.org/press/news/2003/04/08/

Religious Environmentalism Blooms on Earth Day

Washington, D.C.— Spring trees in bloom aren’t the only things turning green these days. So are religious groups of all stripes. People of faith are giving a boost to the environmental movement, offering a spiritual dimension to Earth Day.

"Passover and Easter both celebrate life and its renewal, as does Earth Day," says Gary Gardner, author of Invoking the Spirit: Religion and Spirituality in the Quest for a Sustainable World. "The coincidence of these religious and secular events is symbolic of the increasing collaboration among the religious and sustainability communities."

This collaboration, says Gardner, is founded on complementary strengths. Environmentalists have a strong grounding in science. Religious institutions enjoy moral authority and a grassroots presence that shape the worldviews and lifestyles of billions. As these groups meld their strengths, they are successfully addressing issues from sustainable consumption in Sri Lanka to green investing by stockholders in New York.

In the United States, 3,500 Lutheran, Presbyterian, Unitarian, and Quaker congregations have committed to purchasing fairly-traded, shade-grown, often organic coffee. Just five years old, the Interfaith Coffee Program now supplies about one percent of the country’s congregations and is the fastest-growing source of revenue for the Equal Exchange Coffee Company, the program’s sponsor. (Excerpted from article.)

Here is an article on eclesiastical green theory: http://www.commonlawreview.com/review/environmentalism.htm

Here is an article about Paul Gorman - Executive Director of the National Religious Partnership for the Environment, an alliance of American faith communities served by the Coalition on Environment and Jewish life, the Evangelical Environmental Network, the National Council of Churches of Christ, and the U.S. Catholic Conference. http://www.thegoodsteward.com/article.php3?articleID=507

[nobdysfool]

Interesting read, indeed! Thanks!

[anniegetyourgun]

RC = roman catholic

[anniegetyourgun]

Yes, I am well aware of the movement and have many friends hanging on. However, sin a head tax is involved and headquarters has a long history of misspending tithes and offerings (dating back to support for the communist, Angela Davis), we could not continue. Especially since we (both myself and spouse were elders) could get no assurances from higher ups that they wouldn't do such things in the future.

I do, however miss the order and style. I suppose we could go for OPC, but there isn't really a good option of such within 10 miles of here.

My best to you and your efforts. After reading the transcripts from the "Reimagining Conference" from years ago (supported in large part by PCUSA dollars), we felt that the Lord could not bless it any longer. That, coupled with too many inside the G.A. who "waver between two opinions" when it comes to the very thing the Episcopalian church has just done, made us very uncomfortable.

[Zack Nguyen]

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[EdReform]

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[frithguild]

My congregation is extrordinarily solid and it is growing, which we know bucks the trend. I have never wanted to learn about scripture until attending these services. I have raised money in public service for the first time in my life. Pastor is quite impressive.

[Zack Nguyen]

I am glad to hear that! You want to learn about the Bible because the Holy Spirit is prompting you to learn His Word. You are good to obey His prompting. Let me encourage you in this - there is no substitute for spending time in God's Word.

What do you mean by "raised money in public"?

[Tribune7]

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[Zack Nguyen]

bump.

[DeaconBenjamin]

I grew up in a PCUSA church with a godly pastor, and an ungodly session. But my understanding of the denomination grew when a former PCUSA pastor shared with me why he left National Capital Presbytery -- the rejection of a ministerial candidate because he believed in Christ was born of a virgin.

[frithguild]

Yikes! Poorly worded message "Raised money in public service" = "Raised money in connection with my service to the public."

Our pastor introduced our congregation to a local youth ministry that focuses on introducing Jesus to at risk children. I live in the shadow of a once thriving seaside resort, which now includes areas of abject desperation within walking distance of areas of great affluence. I raised a couple of hundred dollars in pledges from lawyers in my firm for a 2 1/2 mile walk through town. I spent the morning with my eight year old daugter mostly pointing to the buildings and telling old stories of what this town was like in its heyday. This particular fund raiser was for a summer trip where the teens go in ministry go to Hati, which I have been told is quite transforming.

[frithguild]

Very Catholic reply.

I thank you for your prayers.

[foreverfree]

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[LiteKeeper]

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[Zack Nguyen]

I spent the morning with my eight year old daugter mostly pointing to the buildings and telling old stories of what this town was like in its heyday.

That sounds great.