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To: 50sDad
What good would it do to tell him that Christ died for him, according to the Bible, but the Bible starts out spouting off a bunch of fairy tales about creation, young earth, literal Adam, Eve, serpent, fruit, Noah, flood, tower, and other myths. But somewhere in there God starts telling the truth, even though that truth (like: sin, marriage, the week, redemption, diet, morality, family, etc. etc.) finds its foundation in all those myths.

Granted, the NT traces your need for salvation directly to Adam's fall, so your need for Christ is based on a myth in the first place - but let's ignore that for now.

Also, granted Jesus Christ Himself is based on a myth, since the NT gives His geneaology back to Adam, but, ah, let's forget about that.

Also, granted this same Jesus Christ I'm trying to get you to trust your soul to actually BELIEVED all those myths, He thought He literally created Adam and Eve in the beginning, He thought they really lived in the garden of Eden and fell by eating the forbidden fruit, and that's why you need to trust Him to stay out of hell. He also believed some myth named Noah built a boat to survive a mythical worldwide flood. Yes, THAT'S the guy I want you to trust your eternal soul to.

Although, if Adam didn't really fall, there's nothing to be redeemed from in the first place, so ... never mind.

So your way of letting these things stand unanswered, and appealing to so-called science, helps establish the credibility of Jesus Christ just how?
88 posted on 08/11/2003 10:50:06 AM PDT by Con X-Poser
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To: Con X-Poser
Well, logically, you just aregued me out of my Salvation. Thanks, brother.

My arguement is based entirely on putting the cart before the horse. My own beliefs aside, why in the world would I want to bring up the (apparent) inconsistancies of my argurement first when trying to convince anybody of anything? Perhaps we should lead with Salvation and worry about the rest later?

As I recall, I can't document anyplace in in the Bible where Christ said that the path to Salvation is: "Place all your faith in a 7-day Creation, and you'll do fine." I'd rather stake my soul on believing Christ died for my individual sins, accepting His Grace, and telling others about His love for them. Why should I make this issue a stumbling block for my brothers?

92 posted on 08/11/2003 10:57:51 AM PDT by 50sDad ("Can't sleep...clowns will eat me!")
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To: Con X-Poser
Salient post...
320 posted on 08/11/2003 11:14:46 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Con X-Poser
What if we just take the historical record regarding the birth and life and, yes, resurrection, of Jesus Christ? There is consensus among historians of Christ's life, death and resurrection, all other theories having been disproven. I direct you to a book I am currently reading, which seems to do a pretty good job with explanations I am not competent to make. It is The Case for Faith by Lee Strobel. He interviews a number of people and concisely states their arguments based upon several objections to the existence of God, such as "Since Evil and Suffering Exist, a Loving God Cannot," and "Evolution Explains Life, so God Isn't Needed." Perhaps I am just easily persuaded, but let me know your thoughts.
577 posted on 08/13/2003 11:23:39 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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