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Loss of factory jobs may have a long fall to bottom
Boston Globe ^ | 8/10/2003 | Charles Stein

Posted on 08/10/2003 8:00:24 AM PDT by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In August 2000 the American economy lost manufacturing jobs. It lost more in September and October. For the next 33 months, right up until today, the same thing happened. Raise your hand if you detect a pattern here.

If you want to know why the job market is so weak, manufacturing is a good place to start looking. While service employment has roughly held its own over the past 18 months, manufacturing jobs have disappeared at a rate of about 75,000 per month. And then there is the bad news. Some forecasters think the decline will continue, even if the overall economy gets better. ''It is not clear to me why this should end right away,'' said Anirvan Banerji, director of research at Economic Cycle Research Institute in New York.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
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To: Willie Green
I know.

It’s really funny, sort of.

In the Old Days we had woodshop classes.

Our first project was to make a block of wood 3” X 3” X 5 “ long. The instructor would have a square and would check for square and size… He’d break anything that wasn’t square or proper size.

It got me thinking…

In the Old Days they had secret societies and unions and similar things.

Now they don’t know enough to blow their noses.

At one time, if you were in a union, it meant that you had knowledge that other people couldn’t have unless they joined. (Masons, carpenters, cabinet-makers, etc.)

Now it’s just a labor-racket.

Not that it means anything WRT the article, I’m just venting… I guess.

41 posted on 08/10/2003 7:16:51 PM PDT by Who dat?
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To: Willie Green
Loss of factory jobs may have a long fall to bottom

,6792 jobs a DAY being lost in America

42 posted on 08/10/2003 7:20:03 PM PDT by comnet
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To: Willie Green
Don't you just love Free Trade?
43 posted on 08/10/2003 7:21:26 PM PDT by comnet
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To: syriacus
Maybe they should think about becoming doctors, teachers, nurses

They are starting to import those workers into the US. Want to see a sight ? Go into a VA hostpial and look for an English speaker.

44 posted on 08/10/2003 7:29:05 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: syriacus
Well so far foreign birn doctors who came to the USA to practice have done so meeting American medical liscensing requirements. At present there is a case before the WTO chalenging those liscensing requirements as a non tariff barrier. The fact that the foreign born physicians met the standard has worked to keep American physicians employed. That and a demand for good medical care. However tehcurrent offshoring of radiology, and medical record keeping, the use of H1B nurses, does make that future somewhat questionable.

Further if this is the only avenue open for good paying jobs one might expect an overwhelming movement of talented students into these fields further depressing the compensation. I have not even gone into the effects of medicare regulations etc.

45 posted on 08/11/2003 5:07:45 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Centurion2000
Want to see a sight ? Go into a VA hostpial and look for an English speaker.

But, as I've said many times,

That's nothing new.

Foreign born doctors have been in VA hospitals for decades.

Foreign doctors have been getting Visas for 3 decades, or more.

After 3 decades, we still have newly-minted American-born doctors.

As I've written before, Americans don't have to worry so much about foreign competition if they work in fields with a high demand for workers in the US.

Of course, the other option is to stick their heads in the sand, (raising their heads, now and then, to complain about the foreigners).

46 posted on 08/11/2003 9:55:03 AM PDT by syriacus (It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness)
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To: harpseal
If the entire medical field is such a terrible one to go into, of course, Americans look elsewhere.

But I don't think that is really true.

There is plenty of flexibility for people who chose their medical specialties well. And anybody's job choice has some risks.

I see an awful lot of doctors, dentists, medical techs, etc. here, that are young Americans, even though I'm in an area that had a huge influx of foreign born medical workers beginning 3 decades ago.

People can chose to go to doctors of almost any nationality around here.

My mother's nephrologist is foreign born and has been here for decades. Her GP is a young US-born woman. Her podiatrist is a US-born male. Her dentist is a young US born male. My daughter's dentist is a young US born woman. One daughter had an American born obstetrician, but found a foreign born one she likes much more.

As for the qualifications of foreign born doctors, you can check their qualifications and educational backgrounds online. You can see if they are board certified (like my mother's foreign and American born born doctors) or not board certified (like my American born male doctor).

47 posted on 08/11/2003 10:11:41 AM PDT by syriacus (It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness)
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To: harpseal
and medical record keeping

Medical recordkeeping would have changed anyway, even if it had stayed in the US---the computer has changed that field greatly.

48 posted on 08/11/2003 10:14:44 AM PDT by syriacus (It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness)
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To: syriacus
Maybe they should think about becoming doctors, teachers, nurses, receptionists, dentists, therapists, auto mechanics, plumbers, housebuilders, etc.

Nothing wrong with any of those professions, but with the possible exception of the doctors (who are increasingly getting muscled out by insane malpractice insurance) and, indirectly, teachers, none of those professions will see the U.S. remain a world leader. Yes, we can all become welders and pipe-fitters -- perfectly respectable trades -- but you will not remain a superpower in this day and age if that is all you've got going for you.

49 posted on 08/11/2003 10:17:49 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: syriacus
I am merely pointing out current trends. Medecine may well be the way to go for young people but honestly why should anyone think that medicine will be immune.
50 posted on 08/11/2003 10:30:03 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: RogueIsland
but you will not remain a superpower in this day and age if that is all you've got going for you.

I agree.

51 posted on 08/11/2003 6:45:14 PM PDT by syriacus (It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness)
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To: harpseal
Well so far foreign birn doctors who came to the USA to practice have done so meeting American medical liscensing requirements. At present there is a case before the WTO chalenging those liscensing requirements as a non tariff barrier.

Meanwhile, restrictions on health care workers who are not physician seem to be tightening....

DHS rule requires new certification for overseas health professionals, August 01, 2003

The Department of Homeland Security has issued a final rule requiring nurses and certain other health care workers from overseas to obtain a certificate from an approved credentialing organization verifying their education, training, licensure and experience before they can enter the U.S.

The long anticipated rule, published in the July 25 Federal Register and effective Sept. 23, pertains to foreign-born nurses, physical therapists, occupational therapists, speech-language pathologists, medical technologists, medical technicians and physician assistants, whether they trained in the U.S. or overseas.

Immigration attorneys expect the requirement to increase the time it takes to hire and employ such workers, for example delaying the process by three to six months for foreign-born nurses.

Nurses who already have a temporary visa to work in the U.S. and are seeking admission, readmission, or an extension or adjustment of their stay will not be subject to the requirement if their applications are approved by July 26, 2004. After that, a waiver of the requirement may be granted on a case-by-case basis.


52 posted on 08/11/2003 7:45:21 PM PDT by syriacus (It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness)
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To: harpseal
Medecine may well be the way to go for young people but honestly why should anyone think that medicine will be immune.

You're right. Medical careers are not immune to problems. But right now the field looks pretty good.

Workforce Solutions

Monday July 1, 2002

The American Hospital Association's Commission on Workforce for Hospitals and Health Systems recently issued a report with specific recommendations to help hospitals deal with current and future health care workforce shortages.

Personnel shortages are being reported in nearly every type of hospital job, what the commission labeled a potential "major national health care crisis."

The report's authors state that the current staffing crisisis a prelude to a longer-term shortage created by four major societal trends: the aging of the U.S. labor force; fewer potential workers replacing the aging "baby boomer" generation; the reduced appeal of health care careers; and high levels of job dissatisfaction among current health care workers. [excerpt]

SOCIAL ISSUES (BusinessWeek online MAY 20, 2002 )

Too Many Workers? Not for Long,By Aaron Bernstein in Washington

Employers face a wrenching manpower and skills shortage  

Peg Brubaker can't get relief--not from the spike in unemployment that began last year or even from the many layoffs in New York after September 11. She still can't find enough workers for the 15,000-employee New York Presbyterian Hospital, where she's vice-president for human resources. Skilled jobs are the toughest to fill. To hold on to $50,000-a-year ultrasound and X-ray technicians, she has hiked pay twice in the past year, a total of 7%, on top of annual merit-pay increases. Histotechnologists, who are paid about $43,000 to do tissue exams, got three extra salary adjustments totaling 13%.

So scarce are employees who can do such jobs that Brubaker recently threw in $10,000 in employee tuition assistance, up from $2,000, for anyone who will go back to college in these fields. Her hope: that even laundry and other low-skilled hospital workers will switch careers. "All the hospitals and pharmacies were stealing employees from each other, even in a recession, so I'm hoping this will stimulate the supply," says Brubaker.[excerpt]


This article has been excerpted from Work-force Issues in Radiology, during which Applegate and Rumack presented at the annual meeting of the Radiological Society of North America in Chicago on December 3, 2002.

Workforce Problems and Strategies

By Kimberly E. Applegate MD, Carol M. Rumack MD

[excerpt]

According to the American Hospital Association,[3] US hospitals in 2001 had vacancy rates of 21% for pharmacists, 18% for radiologic technologists, 18% for billing personnel and coders, 12% for laboratory technicians, 11% for registered nurses, and 9% for housekeeping and maintenance personnel.

53 posted on 08/11/2003 7:57:04 PM PDT by syriacus (It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness)
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To: Willie Green
Who is going to pay(make up for) all the income taxes to make up for those who lose their jobs?
54 posted on 08/22/2003 8:05:09 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: A. Pole
Hey you are from Poland ? I want to thank your country for all of their support. In fact I just bought some awesome wine glasses from a Polish Company. We Love them! And We Love You Guys!
55 posted on 08/22/2003 8:13:32 PM PDT by cmsgop (If you Sprinkle When You Tinkle,...Be a Sweetie and Wipe the Seatie......)
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To: PokeyJoe
You forgot lawyers.

Those jobs are going too. There are already legal firms doing work in India. After all the paper shoffling is completed, the package is sent back to a U.S. lawyer who has passed the bar exam to review and present in court if necessary. The high cost, labor intensive, time intensive grunt work of the legal profession is being outsourced.

56 posted on 08/22/2003 9:50:27 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Willie Green; All
Be of good cheer.

I think it is good to have manufacturing jobs within the US.

But, meanwhile, people who lose those jobs can look to a brighter future. There will be openings even in unskilled jobs, as many workers will be stepping up into skilled jobs.

This was posted on FR Aug. 20, and just now (Sept. 8) is appearing on Netscape's home page.

THE COMING JOB BOOM: "The long-term tragedy is that offshoring can't snatch ENOUGH skilled US jobs."

57 posted on 09/08/2003 5:48:38 AM PDT by syriacus ( Prankin' Al Franken says---My letter to Ashcroft was not a lie...it was a prank. 9/7/03)
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To: harpseal; Centurion2000; cp124; Iscool
Good news...Be of good cheer.

I think it is good to have manufacturing jobs within the US.

But, meanwhile, people who might lose those jobs can look to a brighter future. There will be openings even in unskilled jobs, as many workers will be stepping up into skilled jobs.

This was posted on FR Aug. 20, and just now (Sept. 8) is appearing on Netscape's home page.

THE COMING JOB BOOM: "The long-term tragedy is that offshoring can't snatch ENOUGH skilled US jobs."

58 posted on 09/08/2003 5:54:07 AM PDT by syriacus ( Prankin' Al Franken says---My letter to Ashcroft was not a lie...it was a prank. 9/7/03)
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To: harpseal; Centurion2000; cp124; Iscool
Sorry. I really meant to post this to you.
Executives at Cigna, Intel, SAS, Sprint, Whirlpool, WPP, and Adecco... have told Business 2.0 that they, too, worry that the supply of labor is about to fall seriously short of demand.

Former Treasury Secretary and current Harvard University president Larry Summers regards a skilled labor shortage as all but inevitable.

Economists... have issued warnings to the same effect. And in April, the country's largest and most influential trade group, the National Association of Manufacturers, added its voice to the chorus. The association released a white paper based on research by labor economist Anthony Carnevale, former chairman of President Clinton's National Commission for Employment Policy, that forecast a "skilled worker gap" that will start to appear the year after next and grow to 5.3 million workers by 2010 and 14 million 10 years later... "By comparison, what employers experienced in 1999 and 2000 was a minor irritation," Carnevale says. "The shortage won't just be about having to cut an extra shift. It'll be about not being able to fill the first and second shift, too


60 posted on 09/08/2003 6:05:56 AM PDT by syriacus ( Prankin' Al Franken says---My letter to Ashcroft was not a lie...it was a prank. 9/7/03)
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