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Iraqi Trailers Said to Make Hydrogen, Not Biological Arms
The New York Times ^ | August 9, 2003 | DOUGLAS JEHL

Posted on 08/09/2003 5:36:27 AM PDT by Palm_OScar

WASHINGTON, Aug. 8 — Engineering experts from the Defense Intelligence Agency have come to believe that the most likely use for two mysterious trailers found in Iraq was to produce hydrogen for weather balloons rather than to make biological weapons, government officials say.

The classified findings by a majority of the engineering experts differ from the view put forward in a white paper made public on May 28 by the C.I.A. and the Defense Intelligence Agency, which said that the trailers were for making biological weapons.

That report had dismissed as a "cover story" claims by senior Iraqi scientists that the trailers were used to make hydrogen for the weather balloons that were then used in artillery practice.

A Defense Department official said the alternative views expressed by members of the engineering team, not yet spelled out in a formal report, had prompted the Defense Intelligence Agency to "pursue additional information" to determine whether those Iraqi claims were indeed accurate.

Officials at the C.I.A. and the Defense Department said today that the two intelligence agencies still stood by the May 28 finding, which President Bush has cited as evidence that Iraq had a biological weapons program. The engineering teams' findings, which officials from the Defense Department and other agencies would discuss only on the condition of anonymity, add a new layer to disputes within the intelligence community about the trailers found by allied forces in Iraq in April and May.

The State Department's intelligence branch, which was not invited to take part in the initial review, disputed the findings in a memorandum on June 2. The fact that American and British intelligence analysts with direct access to the evidence were disputing the claims included in the C.I.A. white paper was first reported in June, along with the analysts' concern that the evaluation of the mobile units had been marred by a rush to judgment.

But it had not previously been known that a majority of the Defense Intelligence Agency's engineering team had come to disagree with the central finding of the white paper: that the trailers were used for making biological weapons.

"The team has decided that in their minds, there could be another use, for inefficient hydrogen production, most likely for balloons," a Defense Department official said.

The Defense Intelligence Agency's engineering teams had not concluded their work in Iraq at the time the white paper was drafted, and so their views were not taken into account at that time, the government officials said. They said the engineering teams had discussed their findings in meetings in Washington in June and again last month.

"We stand by the white paper," the Defense Department official said. "But based on the assessment of the engineering team, it has caused us to pursue additional information about possible alternative uses for the trailers."

A C.I.A. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the agency was "continuing to gather more information about the labs, but we stand behind the white paper."

Since the white paper was made public in May, new information suggesting that the trailers might have been used for making hydrogen has come from Iraqi officials interrogated by American military officers in Iraq, a military officer said today. Those Iraqi officials have repeated the claims of Iraqi scientists that the trailers were used to fill weather balloons, said the officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Another government official from a different agency said the issue of the trailers had prompted deep divisions within the Defense Intelligence Agency. The official said members of the engineering team had been angry that the agency issued the joint white paper with the C.I.A. before their own work was completed.

The official said the question of how that had happened was being examined by the defense agency's inspector general as part of a broader inquiry that began in June.

A spokesman for the intelligence agency, Don Black, said he could not comment on the work of the inspector general.

The Bush administration has said the two trailers are evidence that Saddam Hussein was hiding a program for biological warfare. In the white paper made public in May, it detailed its case even while conceding discrepancies in the evidence and a lack of hard proof.

Senior administration officials have acknowledged that the United States has found neither biological agents nor undisputed evidence that the trailers were used to make such arms. They have said that intelligence analysts in Washington and Baghdad reached their conclusion about the trailers after analyzing, and rejecting, alternative theories of how they could have been used.

That view, described as a consensus of opinion with the C.I.A. and the Defense Intelligence Agency, was presented to the White House before it was made public.

At that time, a senior official who examined the evidence in detail and concluded that the trailers were used for biological weapons said, "The experts who have crawled over this again and again can come up with no other plausible legitimate use."

That official said the agencies had rejected the theory put forward by Iraqi scientists who said one of the units was used to produce hydrogen.

Today, a Defense Department official said of Iraq, "There is not doubt in our minds that they had mobile biological weapons trailers." But the official said there was disagreement within the Defense Intelligence Agency about whether those found so far were used to produce biological weapons or hydrogen.

The engineering team that has come to believe the trailers were used to produce hydrogen includes experts whose task was to assess the trailers from a purely technical standpoint, as opposed to one based on other sources of intelligence. Skeptical experts had previously cited a lack of equipment in the trailers for steam sterilization, normally a prerequisite for any kind of biological production.

Bush administration officials have said the most compelling information that the trailers were used for making biological weapons has come from a human source, an Iraqi scientist who described the trailers and what he said was their weapon-making role to American experts months before the trailers were discovered.

The six-page report that was made public in May, "Iraqi Mobile Biological Warfare Agent Production Plants," called discovery of the trailers "the strongest evidence to date that Iraq was hiding a biological warfare program."

Senior administration officials have said repeatedly that the White House has not put pressure on the intelligence community in any way on the content of its white paper, or on the timing of its release.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; dia; hydrogen; iraq; mediabias; mediaspin; mobilelabs; trailers; weatherballoons; wmd
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1 posted on 08/09/2003 5:36:27 AM PDT by Palm_OScar
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To: Palm_OScar
the most likely use for two mysterious trailers found in Iraq was to produce hydrogen for weather balloons

I don't think the madcap mouthpiece of Saddam could have said this with a straight face.

2 posted on 08/09/2003 5:38:53 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Palm_OScar
Do you have a second source?

I no longer accept the NYTs as a sole source on anything.
3 posted on 08/09/2003 5:40:03 AM PDT by snooker
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*** NY TIMES ALERT ***

4 posted on 08/09/2003 5:41:43 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Palm_OScar
Iraqi Trailers Said to Make Hydrogen, Not Biological Arms

Then they were after hydrogen bombs.

Q.E.D.

5 posted on 08/09/2003 5:43:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Palm_OScar
This has got to be the dumbest explanation floating.
I'll predict the weather for the next 30 days, hot, dry, windy, blowing sand.

Portable beer making works better than this hydrogen explanation.

6 posted on 08/09/2003 5:44:21 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
This is laughable. I suppose they buried those Russian MiGs because they were out of Ziebart rust-proofing, too...
7 posted on 08/09/2003 5:45:51 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
This is nothing more than a "leak" from those mysterious, unnamed sources. It reads like a scandal sheet.
8 posted on 08/09/2003 5:49:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
it reads more like all the different departments and even people within each department can't come to a conclusion on anything.
9 posted on 08/09/2003 5:50:49 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Palm_OScar

AH-HAH! So they admit it! It was being used to produce the "power source" for the "EVIL IRAQI DIRIGIBLE FLEET". Their insidious plan is discovered just in the nick of time!

10 posted on 08/09/2003 6:00:06 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Palm_OScar
Lemme get this straight...

It is theoretically possible that these trailers could have been used to "inefficiently" grow bacteria to produce hydrogen for weather balloons instead of bacteria to kill millions, there for they are completely innocent?!?

And this is based on the fact that there weren't steam sterilizers built in? Do these guys know they are often portable? And that portability would be useful for their "dual use" cover story? I bet some university lab has at least two more portable steam sterilization units than it needs....and that that is the cover story as to why they were able to import them in the first place.

These guys HAVE to be kidding!

Although on a seperate note, if their air defense artillery was really practising on weather balloons, that explains why they were totally incompetent against things that...gasp....move!
11 posted on 08/09/2003 6:12:00 AM PDT by blanknoone (There are only 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: blanknoone
Unless you want to see a big boom, a la the Hindenburg, you don't use hydrogen for weather baloons, you use helium.

Geez, first it was Roswell, and now its Iraq; weather baloons are getting a bad name.

12 posted on 08/09/2003 6:32:39 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: Palm_OScar
Those barrage balloons would have really screwed us good!
13 posted on 08/09/2003 6:35:36 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: blanknoone
I think the weather balloons were for measuing wind speed aloft and that sort of thing, and this is legitimate.

I have a hard time believing that it takes a tractor-trailer's worth of equipment to make a weather balloon's worth of hydrogen, however.

This weather balloon story has been around since at least early July, I wonder why it's coming out again now?
14 posted on 08/09/2003 6:38:18 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: FreedomPoster
Let's go back to the drawings we found in Afghanistan showing the disposition of Anthrax using balloons. Where would Usama get anthrax from??
15 posted on 08/09/2003 6:42:00 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: blanknoone
Why is everything focused on the trailers they found? If something is missing, might that be on another trailer that hasn't been found?
16 posted on 08/09/2003 6:45:52 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Palm_OScar
A transparent hit piece. The article is a good sample of how to construct 'reasonable' propaganda. But there are no facts, no quotable sources, no solid indication of who or how many experts hold this opinion...

This is Dim propaganda piece, thinly disguised.
17 posted on 08/09/2003 6:46:13 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: FreedomPoster
The main gaseous product from a fermenting process would be Methane, and Hydrogen Sulfide. This whole damn story is Bravo Sierra and the NYT knows it is Bravao Sierra and theyprints it regardless of the lie it is.

Hydrogen is cheap and easy to produce and compress at fixed
commercial installations. It can then be sent to the field in high pressure cylinders.

The NYT is an active and knowing participent in the spreading of a lie which they know is a lie. This makes the
editors of the NYT LIARS.
18 posted on 08/09/2003 6:50:12 AM PDT by cpdiii (RPH, Oil field Trash and proud of it)
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To: George W. Bush
This is "Blix" propaganda. At the televised UN meeting, it was in reference to these types of trailors that he specifically turned to Powell and in the most rude tone, told Powell he was full of cr**.

It makes me really wonder if Blix was simply an out and out coward AND a traitor.

19 posted on 08/09/2003 6:50:52 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: cpdiii
Bravao = Bravo

theyprints = they print

When I am mad I make typos, :)
20 posted on 08/09/2003 6:52:04 AM PDT by cpdiii (RPH, Oil field Trash and proud of it)
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