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So God changes God's mind, does he?
TownHall.com ^ | 8/08/03 | Bill Murchison

Posted on 08/08/2003 1:35:16 AM PDT by kattracks

As Episcopalians this week broached the unprecedented topic of a gay priest's fitness to be a bishop, a vital clue emerged as to what was going on.

A priest from Portland, Ore., the Rev. Sherman Hesselgrave, observed that "God changes God's mind."

Ah. Hmmm. Shall we ponder?

First, the linguistics -- the deliberate avoidance of the possessive "His," so as not to identify God with male patriarchal ideas. Then, the central suggestion -- God as just another head-scratching, chin-cupping water-cooler buddy, with changing viewpoints for changing times.

"God changes God's mind." Is there a nicer precis of the modern mood, in which practitioners of a sexual style once foreclosed to Christians find themselves celebrated as authoritative Christian teachers?

Congratulations, Bishop Gene Robinson. Come talk to us about all the other junk we need to discard to get right with this changeable God.

You could certainly call Hesselgravian theology a piece of arrogance. (Who exactly finds out about God's mind changes and then reports?) But I'd go further. It amounts, as well, to cultural Darwinism: evolution, in other words, as the key to everything. We seem to be constantly "evolving" -- and not just in terms of prehensile tails and opposable thumbs, rather in wisdom, in understanding!

Whereas we once thought and taught particular things, enlightened souls step forward to remind us that was then, this is now. God changes God's mind. We move on. Get with the program!

Human life, evolved or otherwise, has never been tidy. But modern thought and practice, were they to get any grungier, would lie beyond the corrective powers of Procter & Gamble. To speak a thing these days (e.g., "God changes God's mind") is to render it True. You render it enforceable by mobilizing as many "progressive reformers" as possible into voting blocs and pressure groups.

So it happened in the Episcopal Church's upper reaches -- the seminaries, the House of Bishops, the bureaucracy, the church media. Louder and more persistent grew the clamor, inside and outside this venerable Christian body, to deal with homosexuality as if it were a civil rights issue, rather than a moral question rooted in scriptural and theological understanding.

A favorite gambit of the "progressive reformers" involves comparisons of homosexuality to slavery. Start with the fact, according to the question-begging contention, that the Bible endorses slavery (a highly non-factual "fact," as it happens). That means -- on goes the peerless logic -- that other things in the Bible may be false for enlightened modern folk. One of those things, naturally, would be the tradition of heterosexual monogamy as the Christian norm.

Gene Robinson's church-splitting promotion to bishop undermines Episcopal claims to teach the Christian tradition with care and faithfulness. It is necessary nonetheless to be realistic: This is how we do business today. A truth is precisely as true as a show of hands affirms it to be.

The reverberations from cultural evolution shake institutions other than religious ones. One such is the law. The simplistic view of the U.S. Constitution as a "living" document (not unlike the Bible, it would seem!) constantly invites Supreme Court progressives to attempt new spins on old jurisprudence. The latest response: this summer's decision invalidating the Texas sodomy law.

"(G)ay life," reported the New York Times Magazine just the other day, "seems to be heading steadily in the direction of greater visibility and acceptance." There is no doubting it. Not doubting it is, of course, different from viewing that particular evolution as entailing the substitution of a fresh truth for one worn-out and worthless.

What Charles Darwin and the biological evolutionists somehow failed to implant in the mind of the cultural evolutionists is that life can evolve downward no less than upward. The dear, dignified, stately old Episcopal Church seems to have gambled and come up snake eyes on its bet that God is other than who He always said He was.

©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

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To: jocon307
Excellent point. And there, for so long I've thought it was Communism, and actually it is Darwinism that has set us on this slippery slope.

I venture if one went back and read contemporary opponents to Darwin's theories they one would find they warned of these very things coming to pass.

The purpose of science is to attempt to explain natural phenomena. It is an attempt to find the truth, not to worry about the consequences of finding the truth. Its not science's fault that your church can't handle the truth. Stop blaming others for your problems.

21 posted on 08/08/2003 3:23:01 AM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: Ispy4u
IMHO, God has thrown us a curveball, possibly to prevent us from evolving through scientific means, i.e. cloning.

Daniel 2:43 "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

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Seriously, conceiving a baby w/out a man is IMHO NOT something God wants us to do. Don't you agree?

22 posted on 08/08/2003 3:32:45 AM PDT by bets
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To: bets
I agree.

Although, I also belive that God wants us to understand all that we can see and comprehend. I think in the end we will have people cloning themselves, maybe successfully, maybe not, but God will frown upon it as he has done with man through time.

IMHO I think God has made it so that truly successful cloning will be impossible.
23 posted on 08/08/2003 3:39:50 AM PDT by Ispy4u
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To: Ispy4u
We are made in the image and likeness of GOD, NOT ourselves..
24 posted on 08/08/2003 3:47:21 AM PDT by .45MAN
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To: bets
Copying is not creating. Just ask Jason Blair.
25 posted on 08/08/2003 3:48:36 AM PDT by MortMan (Tag - Does this mean "I'm it"?)
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To: Ispy4u
Right. There will be (and probably already have been) human cloning, but they will be failures in some sense.

For a baby to be made w/out a father, though, reminds me of something like an anti-christ, or "the beast". Perhaps the one and only "success" will be a cloned human that makes it to adulthood and is incarnated w/satan as the anti-christ. (theory is out there, but what else does one do w/a fatherless creation?)

26 posted on 08/08/2003 3:49:03 AM PDT by bets
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To: MortMan
The creation part is what life is breathed into the newly formed child (the physical cells and subsequent body are just re-connected atoms made from existing matter, you're right, not new creations). There is a spirit involved. I don't know how God would handle a conceived body that was fatherless.

I think humans need a mother and a father, in God's eyes and in His plan.

27 posted on 08/08/2003 3:54:21 AM PDT by bets
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To: MortMan
Just ask Jason Blair.

huh? splain me

28 posted on 08/08/2003 3:55:47 AM PDT by bets
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To: kattracks
A well written piece.

Ya know, every time I hear this leftist garbage about: "They (their enemies) want to turn back the Clock!"

I can't help but wincing in pain. Pray tell, who is the keeper of this wonderful clock in the sky of so-called progress? The Liberals won't be satisfied until society is turned into a modern day homo-erotic orgy.

29 posted on 08/08/2003 3:58:55 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: kattracks
From the article:
We seem to be constantly "evolving" -- and not just in terms of prehensile tails and opposable thumbs, rather in wisdom, in understanding!

Did anyone recognize this for what it is?....the garbage mantra from the New Agers; That we're evolving spiritually, and soon the matreiya will come and those of us who are open to this evolution will be radically changed.

30 posted on 08/08/2003 3:59:33 AM PDT by bets
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To: kattracks
This changing-God/changing-scripture thing ties in to the liberals' idea of the "living Constitution" - it can mean whatever it needs to to fit their latest desires.

These two similar philosophies didn't happen together as a coincidence. It's no coincidence.

31 posted on 08/08/2003 4:03:16 AM PDT by bets
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To: bets
Jason Blair is the NYT reporter who plaigiarized and falsified his articles. He copied and "made up" stuff because he couldn't be bothered to create well-written pieces using only the facts at hand.

I'm probably just being obtuse - no coffee yet. :-P
32 posted on 08/08/2003 4:08:56 AM PDT by MortMan (Tag - Does this mean "I'm it"?)
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To: MortMan
obtuse is good - now let's get series
33 posted on 08/08/2003 4:19:25 AM PDT by bets
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To: .45MAN; dixiechick2000
As a matter of fact it is beginning to look like we don't have much time left at all.

About as much time as the Roman Empire had at this point.
Romans 1:18-32
34 posted on 08/08/2003 4:24:30 AM PDT by WKB (3!~ ( You can hear it anywhere but only here can you tell the world what you think about it))
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To: WKB
I give it 5-10 yrs, based on the signs.

I tried to buy groceries the other day w/out a grocery discount card and only cash. It was difficult, and it won't be long before you can't buy or sell w/out some form of id.

I'm moving away from using banks (for privacy sake) and not using credit cards or grocery discount cards. I get paid w/a check, but unless I have a bank acct somewhere, excuse the expression, it almost takes an act of God to get it cashed, and even then, I can't cash it anywhere w/out an id.

So, there's little way to get paid, buy or sell w/out an id today. Sound familiar?

35 posted on 08/08/2003 4:32:17 AM PDT by bets
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To: kattracks
"other things in the Bible may be false for enlightened modern folk"

Can we pick which things we don't like? How is it that 'modern folk' are more 'enlightened' than G-d?
36 posted on 08/08/2003 4:35:38 AM PDT by bk1000
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To: this_ol_patriot
Absolutely. The good news is that whatever these evildoers do, ultimately, will fail and God will triumph over them and their master.
37 posted on 08/08/2003 4:41:41 AM PDT by fortaydoos
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To: bets
I give it 5-10 yrs, based on the signs.

At the outside.
38 posted on 08/08/2003 4:42:22 AM PDT by WKB (3!~ ( You can hear it anywhere but only here can you tell the world what you think about it))
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To: pram
You know, I have been thinking a lot about this, but I think the ONLY way to get those who won't grow the backbone out, but still think confirming this guy is wrong would be for other denominations, not just other parts of the Anglican church, to denounce the ECUSA and it's teachings as heretical, including the Catholic church. This would send a very strong message and isolate the ECUSA, perhaps pushing them into dropping the title Christian altogether. Apostate churches like this need to be exposed and other denominations who are true to the Bible need to point this false doctrine out as well and expose this organization for its corruption, if for no other reason than to save the souls who might walk in there someday and think this is real Christianity. I also think the other denominations have a stake in this in how Christianity is viewed. It's important that they ALL distance themselves from this organization and let the general public know that this is a false doctrine the ECUSA is teaching and why. It needs to be reiterated too that if Robinson really had a love for his church and was a true Christian, he would not allow the church to be split over his own selfish desires. This man needs to be exposed as the fraud he is.
39 posted on 08/08/2003 4:47:56 AM PDT by glory
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To: pram
They went back to the orchard and picked another apple.
But this time it was Adam and Steve.
40 posted on 08/08/2003 5:45:29 AM PDT by ijcr
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