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Are Episcopalians Still a Church? A Lutheran theologian/journalist examines Robinson confirmation
Christianity Today ^ | 8/7/03 | Uwe Siemon-Netto

Posted on 08/07/2003 5:49:25 PM PDT by rhema

The 2.1 million U.S. Episcopalians will have to ponder three urgent questions now that their General Convention in Minneapolis has approved the election of an openly homosexual cleric as next bishop of New Hampshire:

Will their tiny denomination (there are fewer Episcopalians now than convicts in jail) remain in communion with the rest of the world's 70 million Anglicans? Their chances are slim, given the warnings of the Most Rev. Peter Akinola, archbishop of Lagos and primate of Nigeria, who has of late become the world's most forceful Protestant voice.

How will the Minneapolis decision impinge on ecumenical relations with much larger partners, especially the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, to which Episcopalians are in a sense married by a treaty titled Called to Common Mission, or CCM? Great is the danger that it will accelerate the ELCA's expected implosion over the issue of—guess what?—homosexuality.

Is the Episcopal Church USA still a church in the historical and theological sense of the word? Since Minneapolis there are solid reasons to doubt that the ECUSA as a denomination can seriously make this claim (this does not mean, though, that its faithful dioceses and denominations, a minority, should be read out of the Body of Christ).

What is a church? The Greek word ek-klesia defines it clearly: "called out" (of the masses)— by God, not libido. "Church" is not an assembly of the elect chic with the right to decide which political, sexual or other preference, or any fad for that matter, may be considered holy.

"Church" is not an organization whose clerics—representing Christ at the altar—can declare their same-sex partnership "sacramental," as did the Rev. Canon V. Gene Robinson before his election to the New Hampshire bishopric was confirmed. Protestantism, Anglicanism included, affirms "two sacraments instituted by Christ our Lord in the Gospel-Baptism and the Lord's Supper," we read in article 25 of the Anglican Church's 39 Articles of Religion. Whims of concupiscence do definitely not fall under this rubric.

In article 19 of the same 16th century statement of faith we find these words: "The visible church of Christ is a congregation of believers in which the pure Word of God is preached and in which the sacraments are rightly administered according to Christ's command in all those matters that are necessary for proper administration."

"The pure word of God"—both in the Old and New Testaments—proscribes divorce and certain types of sexual activity. Before Monday's crucial vote, Robinson's supporters spoke much of being guided by "the Spirit." No doubt, they were. But whether it was the Holy Spirit is quite a different question. All sorts of religious fiends, especially those following the example if the 16th-century enthusiasts led by the blood-soaked Thomas Muentzer, claimed adherence to the free-blowing Third Person in the Trinity.

Since Episcopalians are ecumenically wedded with Lutherans—and actually imposed their form of ministerial oversight on them—please let's give Luther a voice here. He said that the only safe way to probe such a question is to test it against Scripture. Had the ECUSA's House of Bishops done so in Minneapolis, the Rev. Robinson would not be given a miter, but the sound advice to repent.

The selfishness and arrogance of the Minneapolis vote are astounding. It was a decision based purely on North American—and perhaps Western European—preoccupations with their bodily wants. Not only did the General Convention of the "Church of Good Taste" ignore the beliefs of fellow Anglicans in Africa, Asia and South America, about whose faithfulness U.S. prelates such as John Spong, the former bishop of Newark, N.J., snigger haughtily.

No, they also disregarded their Lutheran partners whose ministers are ordained on the "sola scriptura" principle, which holds that truth is revealed in Scripture alone. When Robinson is consecrated, a Lutheran bishop must also hold his hands over his head, according to CCM, even though it is still stated ELCA doctrine that homosexual behavior violates the will of God.

Doubtless, there will be a Lutheran bishop ready to comply. But when that happens, it will further unravel the ELCA, whose presiding bishop, Mark S. Hanson, is also the president of the Lutheran World Federation, most of whose member denominations are as opposed to the encroachment of secular and un-Biblical concerns as are African, Asian and Latin American Anglicans—and millions of their faithful brethren in the West as well.

The good news is that this is not a crisis of Christianity as a whole. Most fervent Christians know that worldly concerns and desires are never faith's launching pad. Christians are called to discipleship; they are not called to edit God's will according to their preferences.

As disciples, they will suffer like their incarnate God. For faithful Anglican congregations who feel they can no longer remain within the ECUSA an intense period of suffering is about to begin, which is why they need all the support they can get from like-minded people in other denominations. They will lose their sanctuaries—often very old ones—because the Episcopal Church will turn to secular courts, as it has done in such cases in the past, claiming some very valuable real estate.

That, too, violates Scripture, but who is quibbling now?

If you wish to be a clairvoyant, it's easy to look into the future. While orthodox Christians will worship in school auditoriums or the sanctuaries of other denominations at first, a form of Anglicanism increasingly disconnected from Scripture and tradition will celebrate itself with great splendor in ever-more empty churches and cathedrals.

There will be He-He and She-She couples in the pews and, heck, why not He-and-She-and-She or She-and-He-and-He, and Me-and-Me; all this is sacramental by new Episcopal standards, isn't it? So go bless the gin and tonic and pass it around with finger foods to the folks in front of this new religion's altars.

Pray, what would be a more fitting farewell party for a church in a tailspin?

Uwe Siemon-Netto is religion editor for United Press International.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
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To: keilimon
I believe there is a legal difference between a group trying to take their property when they leave a parent organization, and a parent organization keeping their property when they kick out a division. Rightful ownership tends to go in the favor of the parent group.
61 posted on 08/08/2003 5:16:44 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Welcome to the #1 discussion board dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic.)
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To: realpatriot
Today, the Lutheran World Federation REJECTED a definition of marriage as between one man and one woman!

Got link?

62 posted on 08/08/2003 5:26:06 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: TaxRelief
My point is that there are other ways to further the worldwide mission and ministry for Christ. There other large, active protestant churches(Lutheran, Baptist,etc.). My question again: why remain an episcopalian?
63 posted on 08/08/2003 5:29:29 AM PDT by sydney smith
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To: steplock
A professor at ZooMass once told a friend of mine, off the record, that he considered himself, "a guerilla operating behind enemy lines."

I don't think that he is part of a formal conspiracy. Rather, those who devote their lives to subverting what is good and natural are simply following their irrational ideology to its 'logical' conclusion.

64 posted on 08/08/2003 5:31:06 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: realpatriot
Today, the Lutheran World Federation REJECTED a definition of marriage as between one man and one woman!

Do you have a link to that information? I looked, but couldn't find anything.

65 posted on 08/08/2003 6:17:31 AM PDT by Monitor
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To: piasa
The following US Lutheran bodies are not members or supporters of LWF:

Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod
Evangelical Lutheran Synod (aka, "The Norwegians")

There are also smaller splinter synods like Church of the Lutheran Confession and Lutheran Conference of Confessional Fellowship who think LCMS, WELS, and ELS are liberal. CLC, LCCF, and others do not participate in any "unionism" with other bodies -- especially as liberal as LWF.

I believe ELCA is the only significant (size-wise) American body participating in LWF.
66 posted on 08/08/2003 6:27:12 AM PDT by the infidel
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To: TaxRelief
>>>>The above is an example of copying one of their tactics. The funny thing is, I can do it, but it doesn't feel like I'm doing the right thing, somehow.


That names for labeling is funny! Of course you don't feel it is right. It is more than likely not your nature to call others names.

The counter legal action though, YES! This stops them from creating legal precidents (sp?). Also gives them more of a barrier in the legal bullying.

As soon as I can find a lawyer that wants to this (grassroots type of effort), then I will take the next step to set up the funding.
67 posted on 08/08/2003 7:16:01 AM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: rhema
Is the Episcopal Church USA still a church

Try Christian Church. I don't believe so.

68 posted on 08/08/2003 7:20:28 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: hellinahandcart
I'm pleased to say that the author of this wonderful piece, Uwe Siemon-Netto, is a member of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. He nails the issue with truth and humor. Sadly, many in the LC-MS would like closer church relations, perhaps even church fellowship, with the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, which basically is in altar and pulpit fellowship with the Episcopalians. We shall see what the LC-MS president has to say about this whole issue. Should be interesting.
69 posted on 08/08/2003 7:36:31 AM PDT by loftyheights (Lutheran Loft)
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To: rhema
He Nails It Solidly!

As a Lutheran, concerned about the implosion of the ELCA, I am prepared to leave with the rest to form a Lutheran Church based on scripture and not on liberation theology.

I've worshiped in School Auditoriums and Garages, and as He said, "Wherever two or more of you are gathered in My Name, there I will be!"

70 posted on 08/08/2003 7:40:09 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: realpatriot
"Today, the Lutheran World Federation REJECTED a definition of marriage as between one man and one woman?" Didn't they finish their Assembly on July 31?

Here is the press release information:




The (Assembly) Message commits LWF members to remove barriers that exclude people from "participating fully in the life that God envisions for all." These barriers include gender, race, ethnicity, class, nationality, caste, sexual orientation, age and physical/mental condition. The Assembly also committed itself to supporting basic human rights for indigenous peoples. In reference to the visa issue, the Assembly singled out the Dalit people of India, who were among those denied entry to Canada.

The Message pledges members to enrich the church’s healing ministries by addressing HIV/AIDS, violence and poverty. "Diakonia," or the servant ministries of the church, are put forth as a fundamental dimension of the church’s life and part of its holistic healing ministry.
Justice and healing in families is addressed in the Assembly Message and provoked lively discussion on the floor of the Assembly on the language around issues of human sexuality and the definition of "family."

The Message encourages respectful dialogue on marriage, family and human sexuality "in a manner appropriate to the needs of each member church." It also addresses the experience of "spiritual poverty" within families and encourages resources for addressing these needs.




From: http://www.lwf-assembly.org/News-038-EN.html

The actual report is here (in pdf form): http://www.lwf-assembly.org/PDFs/LWF_Assembly_Message.pdf




Yes, it does look like their "path of pacifism" has put them at the top of the proverbial slippery slope.
71 posted on 08/08/2003 8:12:42 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Welcome to the #1 discussion board dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic.)
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To: BibChr; All

72 posted on 08/08/2003 9:22:52 AM PDT by rhema
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To: FITZ
What?! Is this a joke? What is the "Lutheran World Federation"? Please, someone, fill me in.
73 posted on 08/08/2003 10:34:01 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: loftyheights
We shall see what the LC-MS president has to say about this whole issue. Should be interesting.

It's pretty surprising, at least to me.

As President of The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, I am profoundly saddened and deeply disturbed by the decision of the Episcopal Church U.S.A. to give its approval to the election of an openly homosexual bishop.

While it is clear from God’s Word that His forgiving love in Jesus Christ is constant for all people, this action nevertheless constitutes a momentous break from the Christian Church’s 2000 year long understanding of what the Holy Scriptures teach about homosexual behavior as contrary to God’s will and the biblical qualifications for holding the pastoral office.

As many have already observed, this historic decision will be deeply divisive not only in the Episcopal Church itself, but also in the wider Anglican Communion, and it will undoubtedly provoke controversy throughout all of Christendom.

It is my sincere hope that the Episcopal Church U.S.A. would reconsider their decision in the light of the biblical understanding of human sexuality and the qualifications for the pastoral office. It is my fervent prayer that God the Holy Spirit will guide and sustain our brothers and sisters in Christ in the Episcopal Church U.S.A. as they wrestle with the implications of this action in the months and years to come.
source

Maybe we can get him to take a stronger stand about pastors and congregations engaging in unionism with ELCA and other non-Lutheran sects.

74 posted on 08/08/2003 3:32:41 PM PDT by the infidel
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To: utahagen
LWF may as well be called "Liberal World Federation." LWF is an alliance of (very) liberal churches who retain the name "Lutheran" in their synodical names despite rejection of the core doctrines of the Reformation and historic Christianity.

Look up their site on the internet. You'll find a lot about justice, human rights, "action plans" for certain diseases, ecumenical relations, etc. You probably won't find much about Christ.
75 posted on 08/08/2003 3:39:28 PM PDT by the infidel
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To: Monitor
See #71. Thank you Taxrelief.
76 posted on 08/08/2003 5:19:26 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: livius
See post #71, Thank you TaxRelief.
77 posted on 08/08/2003 5:27:09 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: Capriole
And what followed, that which we deal with today... Still, it can only be construed as yet another "sign of the times"...

the infowarrior

78 posted on 08/08/2003 9:38:41 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: SouthernHawk
A little birdie mentioned that you were looking for Anglican Links. Here's a good place to start.
79 posted on 10/10/2003 5:01:05 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between socialism, communism, drug war lords and vodka.)
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To: SouthernHawk
This forum is for frustrated Episcopalians:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apostasy/
80 posted on 10/10/2003 5:58:33 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between socialism, communism, drug war lords and vodka.)
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