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Breakdown of yes-no votes on gay Episcopal bishop
Episcopal News Service ^
| August 6, 03
| Richelle Thompson
Posted on 08/06/2003 2:06:23 PM PDT by churchillbuff
Breakdown of bishops' vote on Robinson 62 yes, 43 no; 2 not voting
Richelle Thompson Episcopal News Service Posted: 8/6/2003
Votes on the consent to the election of the Rev. Canon V. Gene Robinson as bishop coadjutor of the Diocese of New Hampshire:
Yes
Adams III, Gladstone B. Central New York Alexander, John Neil Atlanta Alvarez, David Puerto Rico Bainbridge III, Harry B. Idaho Bennison, Jr., Charles E. Pennsylvania Bruno, Jon Los Angeles Caldwell, Bruce Wyoming Chane, John Washington Chang, Richard S.O. Hawaii Creighton, Michael W. Central Pennsylvania Croneberger, John P. Newark Curry, Michael North Carolina Daniel III, Clifton East Carolina Ely, Thomas Clark Vermont Frade, Leopold Southeast Florida Garrison, J. Michael Western New York Gepert, Robert R. Western Michigan Gibbs, Jr., Wendell N. Michigan Gregg, William O. Eastern Oregon Grew II, J. Clark Ohio Griswold, Frank Convocation of American Churches in Europe Gulick, Jr., Edwin F. Kentucky Howe, Barry R. West Missouri Ihloff, Robert W. Maryland Irish, Carolyn T. Utah Jefferts Schori, Katharine Nevada Jelinek, James L. Minnesota Johnson, Robert H. Western North Carolina Kelsey, James A. Northern Michigan Knudsen, Chilton R. Maine Ladehoff, Robert L. Oregon Lamb, Jerry A. Northern California Lee, Peter J. Virginia Leidel, Jr., Edwin M. Eastern Michigan MacDonald, Mark L. Alaska Marshall, Paul V. Bethlehem Maze, Larry E. Arkansas McKelvey, Jack M. Rochester Moody, Robert M. Oklahoma Persell, William D. Chicago Plummer, Steven T. Navajoland Area Mission Powell, F. Neff Southwestern Virginia Robertson, Creighton L. South Dakota Sauls, Stacy F. Lexington Scarfe, Alan Iowa Shahan, Robert R. Arizona Shand, James J. Easton Shaw III, SSJE, M. Thomas Massachusetts Shimpfky, Richard L. El Camino Real Sisk, Mark S. New York Smalley, William E. Kansas Smith, Andrew D. Connecticut Smith, George Wayne Missouri Swing, William E. California Theuner, Douglas E. New Hampshire Waggoner, James Edward Spokane Walker, Jr., Orris G. Long Island Warner, Vincent W. Olympia Waynick, Catherine M. Indianapolis Winterrowd, William J. Colorado Wolf, Geralyn Rhode Island Wright, Wayne P. Delaware
No
Ackerman, Keith L. Quincy Adams, Jr., James M. Western Kansas Allen, Lloyd Honduras Bane, Jr., David C. Southern Virginia Beckwith, Peter H. Springfield Daniels, Theodore A. Virgin Islands Duncan II, Philip M. Central Gulf Coast Duncan, Jr., Robert W. Pittsburgh Duque-Gomez, Francisco Colombia Duracin, Jean Haiti Fairfield, Andrew H. North Dakota Folts, James E. West Texas Gray III, Duncan Montgomery Mississippi Henderson, Dorsey Upper South Carolina Herlong, Bertram N. Tennessee Herzog, Daniel W. Albany Holguin, Julio C. Dominican Republic Howe, John Central Florida Hughes, Gethin B. San Diego Iker, Jack Fort Worth Jacobus, Russell E. Fond du Lac Jecko, Stephen H. Florida Jenkins III, Charles E. Louisiana Johnson, Don E. West Tennessee Kelshaw, Terence Rio Grande Klusmeyer, W. Michie West Virginia Krotz, James E. Nebraska Lai, David Jung-Hsin Taiwan Lipscomb, John B. Southwest Florida Little II, Edward S. Northern Indiana Louttit, Jr., Henry Georgia MacPherson, D. Bruce Western Louisiana Morante, Alfredo Ecuador Ohl, Jr., C. Wallis Northwest Texas Parsley, Jr., Henry N. Alabama Rowley, Jr., Robert D. Northwestern Pennsylvania Salmon, Jr., Edward L. South Carolina Schofield, John-David M. San Joaquin Stanton, James M. Dallas Thompson, Jr., Herbert Southern Ohio vonRosenberg, Charles G. East Tennessee Whitmore, Keith B. Eau Claire Wimberly, Don A. Texas
Not voting
Larrea, Neptali Central Ecuador Scruton, Gordon Paul Western Massachusetts
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 62to45vote; 62votes; confirmed; episcopal; fallout; generalconvention; homosexual; homosexualbishop; homosexuality; rollcall
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To: tinamina
Ack, we need a map.
To: mtbopfuyn
Adams, Jr., James M. -- Western Kansas --Voted NO
Very conversative diocese. last-of-the-last
42
posted on
08/06/2003 3:56:48 PM PDT
by
FreeRep
(Proud to be American: John 3:16)
To: churchillbuff
too many bitchops spoil the ...
43
posted on
08/06/2003 4:23:20 PM PDT
by
larryjohnson
(Also known as FReepersonaltrainer)
To: mtbopfuyn
www.episcopalchurch.org/webpages/
shows all the Dioceses
44
posted on
08/06/2003 4:28:26 PM PDT
by
tinamina
Comment #45 Removed by Moderator
To: churchillbuff
my dem wife' les bitchop_yes
46
posted on
08/06/2003 4:34:37 PM PDT
by
larryjohnson
(Also known as FReepersonaltrainer)
Comment #47 Removed by Moderator
To: tinamina
The Bishops who voted NO have to "consider" the pensions of all their priests (and themselves and staff) and the property issue, I would think. Long hard fought legal battles with the National Church who holds all the money.
48
posted on
08/06/2003 4:36:58 PM PDT
by
tinamina
To: churchillbuff
Were I live Nebraska voted NO
49
posted on
08/06/2003 4:38:49 PM PDT
by
FreeRep
(Proud to be American: John 3:16)
To: Credo
Nice to see South Carolina hasn't lost it's mind....
50
posted on
08/06/2003 4:42:46 PM PDT
by
Blue Scourge
(Friends come and go, enemies accumulate...)
To: Blue Scourge
Terry Kelshaw is the Bishop of Rio Grande.
The diocese includes NM and El Paso.
51
posted on
08/06/2003 5:44:10 PM PDT
by
Credo
To: churchillbuff
Diocese of Atlanta is northern half of GA, but as a matter of fact represents Atlanta, where the overwhelming majority of the Episcopalians are. New bishop Alexander voted YES (just as we expected). Diocese of GA is southern half of State. Bishop Louttit (a GOOD Bible believing conservative) voted NO, representing the good rural Episcopalians of GA.
My parents are thankfully in Louttit's diocese. We are stuck with Alexander (but "not for very much longer," as Riff-Raff said . .. :-D )
52
posted on
08/06/2003 5:51:05 PM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
To: jaybee
Easton is my former diocese. It includes the Eastern Shore of Maryland only. Delaware is a separate diocese and the Eastern Shore of Va. is part of the diocese of Southern Va.
To: ChewedGum
"Quincy could be Illinois."
You are correct. Quincy is in Illinois. I was baptized and confirmed in that diocese.
To: Credo
Seeing an Indianapolis name-Catherine Waynick, in the YES list, certainly woke me up. What a bummer.
55
posted on
08/06/2003 8:23:48 PM PDT
by
Republic
To: tinamina
The Bishops who voted NO have to "consider" the pensions of all their priests (and themselves and staff) and the property issue,
In other words, they may huff and puff, but in the end they're not leaving.
To: churchillbuff
It's not quite that clear cut.
In the Episcopal Church, most property is in the name of the bishop, holding for the diocese. The national church will try to claim that the bishops are holding in trust for the national church, but the bishops have a solid argument that the national church is merely an administrative body. It will have to be litigated, but at least by the law of my state, the bishops have a good shot at it.
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posted on
08/07/2003 4:01:55 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
To: churchillbuff
Technically, a diocesan bishop if he has the support of his diocesan convention should have no problem removing his diocese from ECUSA. Under all the Canons & By Laws, Dioceses own the property.
The denominational HQ of ECUSA is actually organized as a "mission society" with all the dioceses as voluntary participants. Until the 20's or so the Presiding Bishop was actually the senior diocesan until they decided to organize on a corporate approach.
You're right. This isn't a slam dunk in any event. The only one winning this one are the stinkin' lawyers again. There is going to be a fight literally over billions of dollars of real estate and pension fund money.
The Pension Fund is another matter. It's a separate unit. From what I understand, you are vested after 5 years so most clergy could bail.
58
posted on
08/07/2003 4:06:52 AM PDT
by
Credo
To: lady lawyer
So all the Hill Air Force base workers and state workers and Novell workers and ___, who are Mormon, don't vote for democrats? I'm not sure I would put as much faith in your assessment as you do.
It is not very far from one son to Orrin Hatch the tennis pal of Ted Kennedy. Didn't Hatch and Jeffords sing together?
Does the son become a senator when Hatch retires? Does conservative Utah elect to RATS like South Dakota? The fight is deeper than you may think.
59
posted on
08/07/2003 5:27:46 AM PDT
by
q_an_a
To: q_an_a
Thought you might be interested in AMiA's Statement on Robinson. Their web site is:
http://www.anglicanmissioninamerica.org The Rt. Rev. Charles Murphy, Chairman of the Anglican Mission.
The Anglican Mission in America, part of the worldwide Anglican Communion as an outreach of the province of Rwanda, has weighed in on the Episcopal Churchs decision to confirm the first openly gay bishop in the history of the Christian Church.
In voicing its disapproval, the Anglican Mission contends that the central issue is not, at its core, about homosexual practice or lifestyle, although the 1998 global meeting of Anglican bishops [Lambeth Conference] unambiguously declared the practice and lifestyle to be incompatible with Scripture.
The real issue before us is a church, the Episcopal Church in this country (ECUSA), that is in direct conflict with the Scriptures declared the Rt. Rev. Chuck Murphy, the Anglican Missions Chairman.
Murphy cited a December,1997 interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer Magazine in which the Episcopal Churchs Presiding Bishop, Frank Griswold, acknowledged as much, by stating:
Broadly speaking, the Episcopal Church is in conflict with scripture. ... (One) would have to say that the mind of Christ operative in the church over time ... has led the church to in effect contradict the words of the Gospel."
Murphy notes that "it is this kind of confusion and presumption from the very highest levels of leadership in the U.S. Episcopal Church that has now produced both this latest vote to confirm the election of Gene Robinson, and the severe crisis of Faith and leadership that now exists within the worldwide Anglican Communion. The situation now before us within the U.S. Episcopal Church demands correction, and invites the outside intervention that will, I am sure, be forthcoming."
The Anglican Mission in America is a missionary outreach of the Anglican Province of Rwanda, established three years ago in response to the crisis of faith and leadership that exists within the Episcopal Church, to focus on reaching out to the 130 million spiritually-disconnected people in the United States. The Anglican Mission is a growing movement of churches now stretching throughout the United States.
60
posted on
08/07/2003 6:11:32 AM PDT
by
Gopher Broke
(Abortion: Big people killing little people)
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