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Iraqi 'Mach 3' MiG Buried in Sand (Charles Smith)
NewsMax.com ^ | August 6, 2003 | Charles Smith

Posted on 08/06/2003 12:35:40 PM PDT by HighRoadToChina

Iraqi 'Mach 3' MiG Buried in Sand Charles R. Smith Wednesday August 6, 2003

NewsMax.com has obtained exclusive photos of a buried Iraqi jet fighter being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops. The Iraqi jet, an advanced Russian MiG-25 Foxbat, was found buried in the sands after an informant tipped off U.S. troops. Click here to see the MiG buried in the Iraqi desert.

The MiG was dug out of a massive sand dune near the Al Taqqadum airfield by U.S. Air Force recovery teams. The MiG was reportedly one of over two-dozen Iraqi jets buried in the sands, like hidden treasure, waiting to be recovered at a later date.

Contrary to what some in the major media have reported, not all the jets found were from the Gulf War era.

The Russian made MiG-25 Foxbat recovered by U.S. Army troops in the pictures, is an advanced reconnaissance version never before seen in the west and is equipped with sophisticated electronics warfare devices.

U.S. Air Force recovery teams had to use large earth moving equipment to uncover the MiG which is over 70 feet long and weights nearly 25 tons.

Click here to see troops digging the MiG out of its hole.

Click here to see troops towing the jet away.

All photos courtesy of MSGT T. Collins, USAF

The Foxbat is known to be one of Iraq's top jet fighters. The advanced electronic reconnaissance version found by the U.S. Air Force is currently in service with the Russian air force. The MiG is capable of flying at speeds of over 2,000 miles an hour or three times the speed of sound, and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet.

The recovery of the advanced MiG fighter is considered to be an intelligence coup by the U.S. Air Force. The Foxbat may also be equipped with advanced Russian and French made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U.N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad.

The buried aircraft at Al Taqqadum were covered in camouflage netting, sealed and in many cases had their wings removed, before being buried over ten feet underneath the Iraqi desert.

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The discovery of the buried Iraqi jet fighters illustrates the problem faced by U.S. inspection teams searching Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is larger in size than California and the massive deserts south and west of Baghdad were used by Saddam Hussein to hide weapons during the first Gulf war.

U.S. intelligence sources have already uncovered several mass grave burial sites in the open deserts with an estimated 10,000 dead hidden there. In addition, Iraq previously hid SCUD missiles, chemical weapons and biological warheads by burying them under the desert sands. U.N. inspection teams found the weapons in the early 1990s after detailed information of the exact locations was obtained.

Top U.S. weapons inspector Dr. David Kay is known to favor human intelligence as the primary means to find Iraq's hidden treasure trove of weapons and secrets.

While there are rumors of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons being shipped to nearby Syria, the weapons may very well still remain inside Iraq buried under the vast desert wastelands.

Some critics of the Bush administration have claimed that the inability of U.S. forces to uncover weapons of mass destruction is proof that the President misled the nation into the war with Iraq. However, in recent days the critics have fallen silent as word quietly leaked from Iraq that major discoveries have already been made and are now being documented completely. Bush administration officials are keeping any such discoveries secret for the moment.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allyourmigs; arebelongtous; britanniaisatroll; foxbat; iraq; iraqiairforce; mig; migs; pictures; rebuildingiraq; trollalert; trollbane; trollinthread; wmd
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To: SC Swamp Fox
ARF!

A couple of years ago I was out with a geophysics guy hunting for UST's (underground storage tanks) and before hitting the ground penetrating radar he was going over the site with a hand held proton spin magnetometer. I commented that that would be a pretty good thing to drag around behind a P3 and low and behold that was what the unit was derived from (the sub detecting one)...
221 posted on 08/06/2003 6:58:46 PM PDT by Axenolith (And you don't want to stand below where the cows roost :))
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To: stboz
It just don't get no better'n this.

Foxbat my a$$.

222 posted on 08/06/2003 7:00:27 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Destro
The Rooskies beat us into space by a couple of years. When we were building rockets to lift 20 lb payloads into space, they were building rockets that would boost a dump truck.
223 posted on 08/06/2003 7:02:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: HighRoadToChina
The Iraqi jet, an advanced Russian MiG-25

the "advanced" version of a MiG-25 Foxbat would be a MiG-31 Foxhound ... yes, the MiG-31 really exists ... but it won't do Mach 5 ... and you don't get to think in Russian to activate the weapons system ...
224 posted on 08/06/2003 7:03:05 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: TankerKC
In the mid 80's I was repairing ARC-105's and ARC-94's. Both were HF mechanically tuned, tube amplified radios. As luck would have it, the civilian market also used the ARC-94 in commercial airliners and that ability landed me a job.
225 posted on 08/06/2003 7:06:02 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: krb
Whoa...what a score.

nah, not really ,,, the USA already owns the MiG-29 and the SU-27 Flanker ... in fact, the US Gov't bought extra engines for the -27's back in 1999 according to an article I read then ... somebody said they came from Estonia ... in any case, the MiG-29 and SU-27 both are vastly superior to the MiG-25, basically a 1960's airplane ...
226 posted on 08/06/2003 7:06:13 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Axenolith
Walking over a steel underground storage tank: mangnetic detection is easy.

Flying over thousands of square miles of sand at 1000 ft. looking for a mostly aluminum airplane: magnetic detection doubtful.

All you would need is a burned out tank or APV nearby to act as a decoy, the MAD operator would never be able to tell the difference. The same tactic is used by submarines. In "Hunt for Red October" didn't Clancy have a russian sub hide near the wreck of the Andria Doria?

227 posted on 08/06/2003 7:14:56 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Semper Paratus
"The one they found isn't going to hit Mach .00003."

Ain' gonna fly very far either. The wings are missin'.

228 posted on 08/06/2003 7:15:33 PM PDT by wcbtinman
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To: SC Swamp Fox
Oh, I understand that, and the magnetometer doesn't tell squat between a tank and a buried concrete slab full of rebar.

Its been so long since I read HRO I don't remember that part.
229 posted on 08/06/2003 7:33:23 PM PDT by Axenolith (And you don't want to stand below where the cows roost :))
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To: HighRoadToChina
Only jihadi idjits would thing a plane could fly at Mach III in sand. They must have shi'ite for brains!
230 posted on 08/06/2003 7:34:17 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: HighRoadToChina
Thanks for the heads up!
231 posted on 08/06/2003 8:06:16 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: sheik yerbouty
You're too funny.
232 posted on 08/06/2003 8:08:14 PM PDT by HighRoadToChina (Never Again!)
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To: xm177e2
it's not easy to get delta wings to work (even now we need high-powered computers working while the planes are in-flight in order to get delta wings to work well)

Delta wings are not that difficult to master. It is just a matter of choosing an airfoil section with the correct pitching moment. We (U.S.) had several planes in the active inventory from the 50's through the 70's with delta wings (F-102 and F-106) that didn't have flight control computers required to keep them in the air(not to mention the french Mirage's).
233 posted on 08/06/2003 8:09:06 PM PDT by midwestmidnight
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To: Itzlzha
Any sophomore aero engineer should be able to figure out the theoretical top speed of a specific jet just by measuring the geometry of the engine intakes. Turbojet/turbofan engines cannot run if they injest air flowing at supersonic speeds. Some planes, like the T-38 and F-16 have fixed ramp inlets which limit their speed to sub-Mach 2. Others like the F-15 have variable geometry intakes and bleed-air doors that allow them to reach higher speeds. The SR-71 also has variable geometry intakes and bleed doors. That big spike in the front of each intake has more that three feet of travel.

Another consideration for sustained high speed flight would be the airframe's structural material. Any flight at sustained speeds of Mach 3 create, due to friction, surface temperatures that would cause an aluminum airframe to "fold" . An F-14's airframe, which is predominantly aluminum, would not be able to make the flight that you describe. An SR-71, which is constructed mainly of titanium, will have surface temperatures, in some areas, greater that 500 degrees Fahrenheit. Their airframes are actually annealed during every flight and are said to be strengthened. The useful life of the program was supposedly determined by the engine life and availability of spares for the J-58's.

234 posted on 08/06/2003 8:39:51 PM PDT by midwestmidnight
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To: HighRoadToChina
More pics here in a PowerPoint display:

http://www.netadventure.net/files/joekonaiii/BuriedIraqiMiG.pps

Sorry if it's already been posted but I'm too sleepy to look, lol.
235 posted on 08/06/2003 8:43:55 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: woody9
Non of our satellites picked up these things while they were being buried. Hard to believe.

Not as hard to believe as you might think. Because they're in low earth orbits, photo recon satellites do not have anything even approaching continuous coverage. Morever, because their orbits are relatively easy to determine, and because they carry only a very limited amount of fuel to change those orbits, the satellites can be easily avoided for hours at a time. Sure, you'll see the pit being dug (assuming that it's not being done under netting), and you'll see some sort of activity even with the netting that would definitely be in place during the actual burial, but unless you've managed to have moved a satellite without word getting back to the Iraqis to catch an actual airplane being taxied into that pit, you don't know what's going on from just a photo.

236 posted on 08/06/2003 8:45:49 PM PDT by steveegg (If you think Bush is bad, you'll really hate Hillary and the 9 Dwarves - all bad, no good)
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To: HighRoadToChina
Many thanks1 I strive to offend the effendis and impugn the impotentates!
237 posted on 08/06/2003 8:55:35 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: xm177e2
That, and it's not easy to get delta wings to work (even now we need high-powered computers working while the planes are in-flight in order to get delta wings to work well). At least, that's what I've read, I don't know a whole lot about this subject.

Delta wings are not difficult to get to work. I worked F-106s in the AF during the early 80s and they had been flying since the 50s along with the F-102s which were flying in the early 50s. Believe me we didn't have high power computers.
238 posted on 08/06/2003 8:56:17 PM PDT by Kadric
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To: Sparta
ebay. Just search for "MiG-25 like-new"
239 posted on 08/06/2003 9:09:43 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: ASA Vet
The author used "Russian" and "sophisticated" in the same sentence?

Sure, why not. I understand this MiG has the ability to carry on conversations about existentialism, recite poetry by famous 19th century Russian poets, play Chess, brood, and smoke cigarettes.
240 posted on 08/06/2003 9:16:09 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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