Mr. Robinson Confirmed As Episcopal Church Bishop...

[1stFreedom]

Come on Down to the Roman Catholic Church!

If you have a hard time joining the "roman wing" of the Church, considering reading the works of Cardinal Newman, a convert from the Anglican faith.

For more about the Venerable John Henry Cardinal Newman, see the following link:

Venerable John Henry Cardinal Newman

Some excepts from his works (from the above site):

About the middle of June (1839) I began to study and master the history of the Monophysites (1) . . . It was during this course of reading that for the first time a doubt came upon me of the tenableness of Anglicanism

. . . In the middle of the fifth century, I found . . . Christendom of the 16th and the l9th centuries reflected. I saw my face in that mirror, and I was a Monophysite.

The church of the Via Media (2) was in the position of the Oriental communion, Rome was where she now is; and the Protestants were the Eutychians (3)

. . . It was difficult to make out how the Eutychians or Monophysites were heretics, unless Protestants and Anglicans were heretics also; difficult to find arguments against the Tridentine Fathers (4), which did not tell against the Fathers of Chalcedon (5);

difficult to condemn the Popes of the 16th century, without condemning the Popes of the 5th. The drama of religion, and the combat and truth and error, were ever one and the same. The principles and proceedings of the Church now, were those of the Church then; the principles and proceedings of heretics then, were those of Protestants now

. . . The Church then, as now, might be called peremptory and stern, resolute, overbearing, and relentless; and heretics were shifting, changeable, reserved, and deceitful, ever courting civil power, and never agreeing together. (6)

[1stFreedom]

I purposefully left out "Reverend."

[Jim Noble]

I have very seriously considered this in the past, and will probably do so again.

But shame on you for suggesting that the homosexual problem in the Episcopal Church is worse than in the Roman Catholic Church in America.

[polemikos]

Come on Down to the Roman Catholic Church!

There has been a long and often close relationship between
the Anglican and Catholic Churches. In certain situations
there remains a mutual recognition of the validity of key
doctrines, liturgies, and practices. And the Catholic
Church continues to hold the faith and moral teachings as
taught by the Apostles.

I understand that there is also an Anglican Use liturgy
within the Catholic Church, wherein the Book of Common Prayer
(with minor updates) is used for the Mass. So there is no need
to lose the liturgy Anglicans may be familiar with.

Resources for those interested in the Catholic faith:

Catholic Answers
www.catholic.com
A superb site for clearing away the myths propagated by too many.
Offers free on-line library that examines all the major issues,
free on-line archive of over 1,500 hours of radio/audio material,
plus magazines, books, pamphlets, tracts, videos, and more.

Coming Home Network
www.chnetwork.org
Provides fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant
pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or
have already been received into the Catholic Church.

Biblical Evidence for Catholicism
www.biblicalcatholic.com
Dave Armstrong's monster site. Eclectic, fun, exhaustingly
detailed, personal, moving, and more.

And may God bless your journey where ever it takes you.

[I still care]

O'Reilly just had a pro homo Episcopal guy on now.

O'Reilly said you have a problem, because you basically are fighting scripture, and your church is based on scripture.

The guy said, well, we're not based solely, on scripture, we are also based on the Holy Spirit as He gives counsel to the congregation.

So O'Reilly says, "So you are telling me you know what the Holy Spirit thinks about Robinson?"

It was a great line.

[1stFreedom]

I don't think I said that!

[Spok]

Is Henry VIII spinning in his grave or laughing his fat butt off?

[Argus]

Bump for the Oxford Movement.

[Barnacle]

Ping

[1stFreedom]

When you consider, remember the differences in the Churches. The Catholic Church won't change the doctrine, but it has people with similiar beliefs as those who confirmed the Homosexual leader (I refuse to call him a bishop).

Don't come over expecting saints. Expect Holy doctrine, but unholy people trying to change things.

[jammer]

Our Church is now on God's official "Do Not Resuscitate" list.

[DoctorZIn]

Looks like another church is about to split.

[1stFreedom]

Consider the history of your Church, and then consider if it was ever on His list to begin with. (See my link above).

[AnAmericanMother]

Henry is no doubt up to about 4500 rpm by now (assuming he isn't rotating on a slow rotisserie for his various sins).

Good old Hal was a faithful Catholic, he just wanted to marry Anne Boleyn (or Bullen) and eke out his empty tax coffers with the treasures of the Church. He would be shocked at this divergence from Scripture and tradition.

[livius]

Let the homos start their own church.

But then they'd lose all that lovely money and all those cute little churches.

[SwinneySwitch]

Should have left out Mister too! Mister is a title of courtesy used before the name of a MAN!

[AnAmericanMother]

Where I part company with Newman is his lumping of Anglicans in with Protestants. If you read that portion carefully, you can see the gap in his reasoning.

Other than the excesses that took place under Edward VI (or more properly his bigoted and extreme advisors), the Anglican church has always had a wing that tried to remain Catholic despite Apostolicae Curae. The Anglican opposition to Rome was rooted first in the Elizabethan wars with Spain, then in the Napoleonic conflict, but it began to subside in Victorian times (despite the occasional anti-Catholic rantings of Charles Kingsley, a writer I otherwise am very fond of). Only the most evangelical wing is "Protestant" - the rock-ribbed right wing has always insisted that we are English Catholics with a valid apostolic succession (see the response of Canterbury and York to Apostolicae Curae, Saepius Officio )

[nightdriver]

"Let the homos start their own church."

They have.

Ever heard of the Metropolitan Church?

[jammer]

Sure it was--and I say that as an ardent defender of Roman Catholicism on this board and in other places for 30 years. Look. This is the logical outgrowth of the second Vatican Council. The way these things go is for the Episcopalians to take the liberal stuff from the RC Church and for the Orthodox Church in the US to do the same. Unfortunately, it doesn't stop with those denominations whose impact, truthfully, is small and getting smaller. It spreads like a cancer to ALL the mainline Protestant churches from there.

I won't get into a mud-slinging contest with you about the validity of ordination or any other sacrament of the Episcopalians, RC's, or Orthodox Christians. It is, IMO, truly the Word and the spirit of the believer that is important, unless the Church falls into apostasy, as we have.