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Officials confirm dropping firebombs on Iraqi troops - Results 'remarkably similar' to using napalm
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | August 5, 2003 | James W. Crawley

Posted on 08/05/2003 11:19:18 AM PDT by HAL9000

American jets killed Iraqi troops with firebombs – similar to the controversial napalm used in the Vietnam War – in March and April as Marines battled toward Baghdad.

Marine Corps fighter pilots and commanders who have returned from the war zone have confirmed dropping dozens of incendiary bombs near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris River. The explosions created massive fireballs.

"We napalmed both those (bridge) approaches," said Col. James Alles in a recent interview. He commanded Marine Air Group 11, based at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station, during the war. "Unfortunately, there were people there because you could see them in the (cockpit) video.

"They were Iraqi soldiers there. It's no great way to die," he added. How many Iraqis died, the military couldn't say. No accurate count has been made of Iraqi war casualties.

The bombing campaign helped clear the path for the Marines' race to Baghdad.

During the war, Pentagon spokesmen disputed reports that napalm was being used, saying the Pentagon's stockpile had been destroyed two years ago.

Apparently the spokesmen were drawing a distinction between the terms "firebomb" and "napalm." If reporters had asked about firebombs, officials said yesterday they would have confirmed their use.

What the Marines dropped, the spokesmen said yesterday, were "Mark 77 firebombs." They acknowledged those are incendiary devices with a function "remarkably similar" to napalm weapons.

Rather than using gasoline and benzene as the fuel, the firebombs use kerosene-based jet fuel, which has a smaller concentration of benzene.

Hundreds of partially loaded Mark 77 firebombs were stored on pre-positioned ammunition ships overseas, Marine Corps officials said. Those ships were unloaded in Kuwait during the weeks preceding the war.

"You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm," said John Pike, defense analyst with GlobalSecurity.com, a nonpartisan research group in Alexandria, Va.

Although many human rights groups consider incendiary bombs to be inhumane, international law does not prohibit their use against military forces. The United States has not agreed to a ban against possible civilian targets.

"Incendiaries create burns that are difficult to treat," said Robert Musil, executive director of Physicians for Social Responsibility, a Washington group that opposes the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Musil described the Pentagon's distinction between napalm and Mark 77 firebombs as "pretty outrageous."

"That's clearly Orwellian," he added.

Developed during World War II and dropped on troops and Japanese cities, incendiary bombs have been used by American forces in nearly every conflict since. Their use became controversial during the Vietnam War when U.S. and South Vietnamese aircraft dropped millions of pounds of napalm. Its effects were shown in a Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of Vietnamese children running from their burned village.

Before March, the last time U.S. forces had used napalm in combat was the Persian Gulf War, again by Marines.

During a recent interview about the bombing campaign in Iraq, Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Jim Amos confirmed aircraft dropped what he and other Marines continue to call napalm on Iraqi troops on several occasions. He commanded Marine jet and helicopter units involved in the Iraq war and leads the Miramar-based 3rd Marine Air Wing.

Miramar pilots familiar with the bombing missions pointed to at least two locations where firebombs were dropped.

Before the Marines crossed the Saddam Canal in central Iraq, jets dropped several firebombs on enemy positions near a bridge that would become the Marines' main crossing point on the road toward Numaniyah, a key town 40 miles from Baghdad.

Next, the bombs were used against Iraqis near a key Tigris River bridge, north of Numaniyah, in early April.

There were reports of another attack on the first day of the war.

Two embedded journalists reported what they described as napalm being dropped on an Iraqi observation post at Safwan Hill overlooking the Kuwait border.

Reporters for CNN and the Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald were told by unnamed Marine officers that aircraft dropped napalm on the Iraqi position, which was adjacent to one of the Marines' main invasion routes.

Their reports were disputed by several Pentagon spokesmen who said no such bombs were used nor did the United States have any napalm weapons.

The Pentagon destroyed its stockpile of napalm canisters, which had been stored near Camp Pendleton at the Fallbrook Naval Weapons Station, in April 2001.

Yesterday military spokesmen described what they see as the distinction between the two types of incendiary bombs. They said mixture used in modern firebombs is a less harmful mixture than Vietnam War-era napalm.

"This additive has significantly less of an impact on the environment," wrote Marine spokesman Col. Michael Daily, in an e-mailed information sheet provided by the Pentagon.

He added, "many folks (out of habit) refer to the Mark 77 as 'napalm' because its effect upon the target is remarkably similar."

In the e-mail, Daily also acknowledged that firebombs were dropped near Safwan Hill.

Alles, who oversaw the Safwan bombing raid, said 18 one-ton satellite-guided bombs, but no incendiary bombs, were dropped on the site.

Military experts say incendiary bombs can be an effective weapon in certain situations.

Firebombs are useful against dug-in troops and light vehicles, said GlobalSecurity's Pike.

"I used it routinely in Vietnam," said retired Marine Lt. Gen. Bernard Trainor, now a prominent defense analyst. "I have no moral compunction against using it. It's just another weapon."

And, the distinctive fireball and smell have a psychological impact on troops, experts said.

"The generals love napalm," said Alles, who has transferred to Washington. "It has a big psychological effect."



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aftermathanalysis; crispycritters; deadiraqisoldiers; firebombs; iraq; mark77; napalm
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To: HAL9000
"Let’ em have it," he shot back at a critic of area bombing. "Remember this. Never maltreat the enemy by halves."
~ Winston Churchill

Good advice then and good advice now.

61 posted on 08/05/2003 12:13:11 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: Ecliptic
Fight to win.
62 posted on 08/05/2003 12:17:42 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: HAL9000
This is actually some of the better news I've heard in this vein. I was afraid we'd gone too soft to appease the bleeding-heart whiners.

But apparently people still do get killed in a war, sometimes in horrible ways that maybe they didn't even personally deserve. Who knew?

I'd always rather break out the big guns than the scattershot, especially when US military lives are at stake.
63 posted on 08/05/2003 12:19:15 PM PDT by Rightwing_Libertarian (There is no substitute for a militant freedom.--Calvin Coolidge)
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To: mountaineer
the firebombs use kerosene-based jet fuel A dollop of bacon grease would have been a nice touch, too.

The lib argument against bacon grease-it's bad for the heart...

64 posted on 08/05/2003 12:20:20 PM PDT by Born Conservative
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To: COBOL2Java
I suppose they could have dropped Hillary's pantsuit on them but she was too busy using them.

Besides, the seat portion of the pants would have destroyed the bridge, the river, and all arable land within 50 miles...

It would have also killed all of the fish and would have left a very foul stench in the air. We would be hearing a never-ending tirade fron environventalists.

65 posted on 08/05/2003 12:21:58 PM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: HAL9000
Physicians for Social Responsibility

What's so responsible about advocating military tactics that would cost American lives? Oh, I forgot . . . the emphasis is on socialism, and hating America, not on responsibility.

Outfit should be shut down. They're nothing but a bunch of socialists (first and foremost) who happened to get medical degrees.

During the war on terror, we need a War Powers Act that will allow the government to shut down, and shut up, subversive, socialist, pro-terrorist organizations and individuals. It's become a pressing national security issue.

66 posted on 08/05/2003 12:26:15 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: alnick
obviously non-partisan.
67 posted on 08/05/2003 12:28:39 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: G L Tirebiter
Not the first time I've seen handwringing whining by GlobalSecurity.com here.

Now stop singing and finish your homework.

68 posted on 08/05/2003 12:33:13 PM PDT by onehipdad
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To: Constitution Day
Great Post and Image! That was my favorite scene in 'Apocalypse Now'.
69 posted on 08/05/2003 12:41:14 PM PDT by TheEngineer
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To: HAL9000
Breaking News, 1965: Effect of Napalm similar to firebombs used in WWII
70 posted on 08/05/2003 12:44:27 PM PDT by Salman
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To: HAL9000
(From The Encyclopedia of Battles).

Balathista,
Macedonia Byzantine-Bulgar Wars - 1014 AD


The growing power of the Bulgarian Empire of Tsar Samuel forced the Byzantine emperor Basil II to undertake one of the most brutal campaigns in history. Beginning in 996, the Byzantine and Bulgar armies see-sawed in indecisive combat from Adrianople (Edirne) westward into Macedonia and Greece proper. Finally, in 1014, Basil managed to trap a large Bulgar force at Balathista in the valley of the Struma River, which flows into the Aegean Sea. The Byzantine army overwhelmed its opponents, taking some 15,000 prisoners. Basil ordered their eyes put out. A few men were each spared one eye to serve as guides for the return of the blinded captives to Samuel. The shock of seeing his mutilated warriors was too much for the Bulgar emperor. He died on the spot. Four years later Samuel's successors made peace with Basil II (now called Bulgaroktonos, or "slayer of the Bulgarians") and the Bulgars were incorporated into the Byzantine Empire.
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If the liberals think a little fire is bad, they need to read some history.
71 posted on 08/05/2003 12:50:38 PM PDT by itzmygun (Things getting too serious? Visit www.wackoemailer.com.)
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To: HAL9000
Can we firebomb the press?
72 posted on 08/05/2003 12:52:48 PM PDT by armymarinemom
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To: TheEngineer
Thanks! It was mine too.

CD

73 posted on 08/05/2003 12:54:21 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: HAL9000
"Incendiaries create burns that are difficult to treat,"

Bullets create puncture wounds that are difficult to treat.

said Robert Musil, executive director of Physicians for Social Responsibility, a Washington group that opposes the use of weapons of mass destruction.

PSR is a hard-left group that opposes the use of pretty much any weapon by American forces. It is biased to describe them as something they are not, because "opposes the use of weapons of mass destruction" sounds much more positive to most people than "opposes the use of military force."

They might as well describe the Klan as "a Southern group that opposes affirmative action in the workplace."

74 posted on 08/05/2003 1:03:19 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2
They might as well describe the Klan as "a Southern group that opposes affirmative action in the workplace."

Nice line...

75 posted on 08/05/2003 1:12:08 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: itzmygun
Cool book...I just completed Victor Davis Hanson's, Carnage and Culture...a great read.
76 posted on 08/05/2003 2:10:40 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: HAL9000
"The generals love napalm," said Alles. "It has a big psychological effect."
Yeah, the 72 virgins get freaked when Freddie Krueger comes calling. You can see the 'psychological effect' right there.
77 posted on 08/05/2003 2:10:56 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Gracey
"We threw down thousands of flyers, telling the Iraqis to surrender or die, well, those that didn't surrender, died."

"Please continue to remind us... lest some of the media forget :-) That includes John Pike. "


78 posted on 08/05/2003 2:23:38 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Again, they can't say we didn't warn them.

79 posted on 08/05/2003 2:25:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: HAL9000
Napalm .........controversial?
80 posted on 08/05/2003 2:26:49 PM PDT by tet68
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