Mother Accused of Slitting Baby's Throat (feminist professor - expostfacto abortion)

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[RockChucker]

She's a feminist. I am sure her beliefs about babies made the dirty deed a little easier.

[MHGinTN]

You asserted, "They say atheism IS a belief system (it's not.)" I would note that the only earth species (as best we can tell) that has a diety consciousness is the human species. I would account that to the presence of spirit in the human species, not to be found in any other earth species. [But since I also believe in Angels--for reasons I will not elaborate here--I would have to offer that they too are beings with spirit, albeit not earth residents.]

If a human being insists on denying the existence of a Creator, God, however you wish to characterize the Almighty, then such an one has placed self in the 'objective' status of godhood. THAT is definitely a belief system and secular humanism fits comfortably as the 'religion of self aggrandizement to godhood'.

Since I cannot offer a scientific refutation of this Godless belief system, does it carry any less weight as a belief system? Is it not an alternate way of explaining the evidence before us of a universe we sense and study? Of course it is! Is it less valid an explanation?... The jury is still out on that one, but I'm not one to risk the alternative to godless creation so I am a believer first, then a receiver of God's proof offered in His grace to those who diligently seek Him.

As a believer, I have been afforded (by His grace toward me and those for whom I pray) repeated evidence of His attention to my prayers and the needs of those prayed for. Would you like for me to pray for you?... You need not believe He will answer on your account for His promises are to me not to you, and His grace may be afforded to you in your circumstances because I would ask on your behalf. Neat, don'tcha think?

[Mr. Silverback]

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[First Amendment]

One of the arguments for abortion used to be (I don't imagine they can use it now since it's proven wrong) was that if all children were "wanted" children, there would be no child abuse. Well, child abuse of all kinds has increased termendously for exactly the reasons you state. Rationalization for abortion is based on the mistaken belief that the purpose of life is personal enjoyment, and therefore anything that gets in the way of personal enjoyment is an evil.

This philosophy is based on Darwinism, that the universe and all life in it is accidental, and just a chemical reaction and by-product and therefore meaningless and purposeless. Since there is no plan or reason for existence, the only motivation is one's own gratification or slightly extended gratification (me only, or maybe MY family, or something or someone connected with me). Therefore more and more we see people whose care and concern about others has diminished to the point where they only care about what goes on within the limits of their own skin.

Ultimately I see the social issues problem stemming form secular humanism, with the slavish belief in Darwinism including social Darwinism as the platform of the ignorance of truth leading to evils.

[hopespringseternal]

They snarl and call them arrogant, compare general atheism to Communism, and essentially try to force atheists to keep their thoughts secret.

Arrogance? Look at your own words:

But the fact remains that they believe in things that are, in fact, imaginary. This leaves them vulnerable to an advanced form of the insanity. It's funny, the average Protestant (at least, the ones I've known) believes there is a devil, but scoffs when someone says, "I'm possessed by him." Yet it's only an embellishment on the nonsense that he already believes in.

First you say religious people are delusional, then prone to insanity, finally calling their beliefs nonsense. And that was how you started the conversation.

And atheists who equivocate Islam and Christianity prove their inability to think rationally. In a nutshell violent "christianity" is an aberration from the faith, while violent Islam is adherence to the faith. The fact that you can't or won't acknowledge this distinction demonstrates an important fact about you that is true of most atheists: You don't just disbelieve a god, you hate God.

Your supposed atheism is really a childish tantrum, demanding empirical evidence from God and attacking anyone who doesn't. Agnostics are far more rational and adult about the whole question. Atheists nurse some deep seated resentment that they take out on God and those who believe in Him.

For all your pronouncements about the non-existance of God, you spend an inordinate amount of emotional capital fighting Him.

Nobody goes to war against something that they know doesn't exist.

[First Amendment]

I really enjoy reading your posts. Well spoken, clear and poetic.
I agree, atheism is a belief system, since the only way anyone could be an atheist with absolute certainty would be if they could see all existence, everywhere, with no limitation, and all past, and all future. In other words, the only way someone can deny the existence of God with absolute certainty is if they ARE God. Atheism is a the best example of a living contradiction of its own claims.
It is said in the Isopanishad that God is the "self-sufficient philosopher [meaning knower of all truth] who has been awarding everyone their desires since time immemorial".

If a person wants to know what the truth is, no matter how it may contradict their fondly held beliefs, and cries out to the universe (empty or not) to know the truth, that person will come to know of the existence of God. On the other hand, if a person wants to have more evidence to support their previously determined conclusion that God does not exist, God will provide what they want. The Vedas state that the only reason atheists can come up with the reasons and arguments they come up with is becuase God gives them those reasons, since that's what they want.

Someone else on this thread mentioned how common it is for small children to naturally believe in God. They haven't been trained not to yet. Not that all children are little angels, far from it. But the faith or conviction in the existence of the Supreme Person is actually inherent in the core of the heart of all beings, and to divorce ourselves from that takes some determintation or desire on our part.

[A_perfect_lady]

First you say religious people are delusional, then prone to insanity, finally calling their beliefs nonsense. And that was how you started the conversation.

Well, I was answering a direct question. Normally I don't even bring it up around Christians because I know how defensive they are. But let's face it: Catholics are more likely to believe they are possessed by the devil than someone who doesn't think there's a devil in the first place. I mean, that's not an insult, that's just the most logical, uncontroversial statement I can imagine.

Think about it. Two people are hearing voices. One is an atheist, one is a Catholic. The atheist will think, "Geez, I'm hearing voices, I might be schizophrenic... maybe I have a chemical imbalance. I'd better have this looked at." Because that's the most logical decision for someone who doesn't believe in the supernatural.

But a Catholic might think, "It's Satan!!" and get progressively crazier because they think the supernatural is in control of them.

And atheists who equivocate Islam and Christianity prove their inability to think rationally. In a nutshell violent "christianity" is an aberration from the faith, while violent Islam is adherence to the faith.

I agree with you 100%.

The fact that you can't or won't acknowledge this distinction demonstrates an important fact about you that is true of most atheists: You don't just disbelieve a god, you hate God.

Well, you have me confused with someone else because I do indeed distinguish between Christianity and Islam, as I explained in another post on this thread (although I don't think it was addressed to you so I can't expect you to have read it.)

[A_perfect_lady]

Oh, wait a minute... I just checked, and post 114 was indeed directed at you. In that post I made it clear that I think it's erroneous to lump Christianity and Islam together... and you are so hysterical with rage, you didn't even read what I wrote.

Well, if you can't be bothered to actually read what I write, I see the problem pretty clearly now. You don't debate, and you don't listen. You just wait your turn to launch another round of insults. No wonder we're getting no where. It's you.

[MHGinTN]

You've focused us upon the noteworthy:"Someone else on this thread mentioned how common it is for small children to naturally believe in God. They haven't been trained not to yet." Indeed! I believe they have been more recently in His presence than we, thus they have a natural proclivity to assume God's reality. [BTW, thank you for the kind words.]

[Delphinium]

Has your wife ever had post partum depression?

[hopespringseternal]

In that post I made it clear that I think it's erroneous to lump Christianity and Islam together... and you are so hysterical with rage, you didn't even read what I wrote.

Oh, lookee, you found a grammatical error to interpret as an insult. Substitute "you" with "they". If I had intended to insult you, I would have done it in the previous sentence.

[RockChucker]

She actually suffers from depression, post, pre, whatever.

I realize that insanity is real and I have, in earlier posts on this thread, regreted the lightness I approached this particular topic. It is very sad.

The woman, though, should still spend the rest of her life getting her Zoloft from the state prison system.

[Delphinium]

I have my granddaughter right now because my daughter inlaw is have some problem connected to her bi-polar.(that she doesn't want to talk about.

She comes across as a spoiled brat, and makes everyone elses life miserable. It's always about how cheated she is.Because she has to take care of children, because my son works hard, and is successful, because she doesn't have to work, because she has too little, because she has to much, because her home is now yet fully decorated, etc, etc She thinks she is too educated and sophistcated to take medication.

I am very concerned about the emotional, and overall stability of this family of four children.

[sakic]

She's a feminist. I am sure her beliefs about babies made the dirty deed a little easier.

What an ignorant comment. She obviously has severe mental problems. This sort of stuff exists all over the political spectrum.

And then there are those that pounce on the slaughter of a child and use it for their own twisted political needs. Nice job.

[RockChucker]

Yes, I realized it was insensitive at the least after I posted it. I have replied to everyone in kind. I am tempted to request to have the post removed.

[jocon307]

There is just toooooo much in this story that is creepy. First of all, she's 38, a wee bit old to have one's first child. Second, where's poppa? as they once said. Third, she's a specialist in Arab/Muslim studies.

Damnme, if this was some Christian fundamentalist it would be page one news, nationwide.

[sakic]

We all get overzealous and sometimes say things that we later regret. No one more than myself.

[music_code]

5. Therefore, a first uncaused cause of my current existence exists.

6. This uncaused cause must be infinite, unchanging, all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-perfect.

Here's where you go wrong. This is like assuming gravity has consciousness.

That which is created cannot be of a higher order than the Creator. These traits are necessary to the Creator, else He could not be the Creator.

[A_perfect_lady]

That which is created cannot be of a higher order than the Creator. These traits are necessary to the Creator, else He could not be the Creator.

Says who?

[A_perfect_lady]

Oh, lookee, you found a grammatical error to interpret as an insult. Substitute "you" with "they". If I had intended to insult you, I would have done it in the previous sentence.

Nice try.

[walden]

You're right-- it's terribly sad.

There were two women here in Texas-- Andrea Yates and that woman up by Tyler. I never heard the resolution of the Tyler case (mercifully, the press must have had other stuff going on at that time), but Andrea Yates was basically sentenced to the loony bin for a long, long time-- until she gets better, which no one really expects to happen. She was on suicide watch the entire time of the trial, and sometimes I think that it would be much more merciful to just let them kill themselves in cases like this. Obviously, she knew what she had done, although she clearly wasn't well-- how awful will it be if she ever recovers her full mental and moral functioning and knows fully and truly her crime? Better to be dead, in my opinion.

The unforgivable one, though, is Russell Yates-- he KNEW she was crazy, and left those kids with her anyway. Day after day, homeschooled. In my opinion, at the very least they should have tried him for reckless endangerment of a child.