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Evidence of WMD plotting found in Iraq [My title: Time for the Dems to apologize]
The Daily Telegraph [UK] ^ | 8/1/03 | David Rennie and George Jones

Posted on 07/31/2003 5:24:35 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood

Evidence of WMD plotting found in Iraq
By David Rennie and George Jones
(Filed: 01/08/2003)

The United States has found evidence of an active programme to make weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, including "truly amazing" testimony from Iraqis ordered to dupe United Nations inspectors before the war, the man leading the hunt said yesterday.

David Kay, a former UN inspector and now the CIA's leading consultant who is joint head of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), offered an unprecedentedly bullish assessment of the hunt for weapons of mass destruction.

Although he called for patience, he predicted that doubters were in for a "surprise" by the time his work was done.

His 1,400-strong team of American, British and Australian experts scouring Iraq has not yet found actual biological or chemical weapons, Mr Kay told private Senate hearings in Washington. But there was mounting evidence of an active WMD programme, he said.

That evidence included documents detailing how to conceal arms plants as commercial facilities, and for restarting weapons production once the coast was clear, officials told reporters.

Leading Democratic congressmen, like many Labour MPs, have questioned pre-war claims made by President George W Bush and Tony Blair that Saddam Hussein had large arsenals of banned weapons, ready for use. Such critics have said they will not be satisfied by anything short of physical proof.

But the first significant evidence of programmes to develop WMD is a potential lifeline for Mr Blair in his battle to prove to a sceptical public that the war was justified and that the Government did not mislead Parliament.

There was a sense of relief in Whitehall yesterday that the Prime Minister, who has staked his reputation on the Iraq war, could yet be vindicated.

After all the controversy over the Government's earlier claims about Saddam's weapons, Mr Blair is being deliberately cautious in public. However, he will leave for a family holiday in Barbados considerably reassured.

Officials said he was "aware that progress is being made" but was anxious not to overstate what had been uncovered so far.

At his end-of-term press conference in Downing Street on Wednesday, the Prime Minister appeared more confident that evidence of weapons programmes would be found and urged his critics not rush to judgment.

He referred to the interviews being conducted by Mr Kay's team with scientists and experts who were working on Iraq's weapons programmes. Asked specifically if they had found something, Mr Blair replied: "Let us wait and see when they come up with their report what the true facts are."

Mr Blair has already sought to prepare the public for the growing possibility that no actual weapons of mass destruction will be found - only evidence of programmes to develop such weapons.

Glenda Jackson, the Labour MP for Hampstead and Highgate and a former minister, said the Government had argued before the war that there were actual weapons not just programmes.

"We were not told the danger came from programmes or documents - that we were in real danger from tons of confetti. If the weapons aren't there, then I am afraid someone deliberately misled us," she said last night.

In Washington, Mr Kay appeared concerned to stem the growing perception that Saddam might have had no weapons programme at all.

Though a former UN inspector himself, he was blunt about the limitations of the inspections before the war.

Briefing officials and Congress on the first five weeks of work by the coalition team, he said: "We have found new evidence of how they successfully misled inspections of the UN and hid stuff continuously from them.

"The active deception programme is truly amazing once you get inside it. We had people who participated in deceiving UN inspectors now telling us how they did it.

"We have Iraqi scientists who were involved in these programmes who are assisting us in taking them apart."

After the private briefing, he said: "We are making solid progress. It is going to take time."

He said a programme shielded by security and deception over 25 years would not be easy to unravel.

Mr Kay dismissed reports that his search teams had run out of sites to explore. They were gaining the "active co-operation" of Iraqis involved in WMD manufacture.

Scientists and officials were coming forward in ever greater numbers and were leading the teams to key sites, almost all of them previously unknown to Western intelligence.

Solid evidence was being uncovered, but would not be made public hastily, until the teams had "solid proof", Mr Kay added. However, he predicted that public patience would be rewarded.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; davidkay; iraq; warlist; wmd
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It's time for every single Democratic presidential candidate to withdraw from the race, admit that not one of them can be trusted to protect the country's security, apologize for lying to the American people about WMDs, and endorse Bush for re-election.
1 posted on 07/31/2003 5:24:36 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
Are you kidding? They'll just say that it was all put there by the Bush administration. Now, if you were talking about sane people, that would be different.
2 posted on 07/31/2003 5:26:58 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: FairOpinion; BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Howlin
FYI
3 posted on 07/31/2003 5:27:35 PM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
They will never apologize, never!
4 posted on 07/31/2003 5:27:45 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: MizSterious
*Cough*
5 posted on 07/31/2003 5:29:24 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Paul Atreides
Are you kidding?

Yes.

6 posted on 07/31/2003 5:31:09 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
Uh oh, the DemonRats aren't going to like this.
7 posted on 07/31/2003 5:31:28 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Stop the violins!! Visualize whirled peas...)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
I know. I just had to say it.
8 posted on 07/31/2003 5:31:59 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Dog
Over Here.
9 posted on 07/31/2003 5:32:56 PM PDT by b4its2late (I am a partisan. Part right and the other part right.)
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To: Paul Atreides
Are you kidding? They'll just say that it was all put there by the Bush administration.

The DUmmies have long been making this claim.

10 posted on 07/31/2003 5:34:00 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (He who laughs last was too dumb to figure out the joke first)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
It's time for every single Democratic presidential candidate to withdraw from the race, admit that not one of them can be trusted to protect the country's security, apologize for lying to the American people about WMDs, and endorse Bush for re-election.

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If they had any integrity, that is exactly what they should do. None of them are fit to be entrusted with the security of this country and the American people.

And yes, indeed, they deliberately lied, because they were all aware of all the years of evidence about Saddam's WMD programs, yet they had the unmitigated gall, to claim they don't exist and that Bush lied.

11 posted on 07/31/2003 5:34:07 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: ladyinred
Of course they won't. They are not insane, they are evil. When an evil person loses a fight, he doesn't apologize, he runs away and quietly waits for the next opportunity to stick in a knife.
12 posted on 07/31/2003 5:34:51 PM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
Let's see, the Democrats spent the last 5 years telling us that Clinton didn't lie but now their battle cry is "Clinton lied, nobody died".
They have no incentive to tell the truth and those who support them already know they are liars.... just like Clinton.
13 posted on 07/31/2003 5:35:20 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: PJ-Comix
They still think that W had Wellstone killed.
14 posted on 07/31/2003 5:36:20 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
Scientists and officials were coming forward in ever greater numbers and were leading the teams to key sites, almost all of them previously unknown to Western intelligence.

Vey series!

15 posted on 07/31/2003 5:36:24 PM PDT by b4its2late (I am a partisan. Part right and the other part right.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
As usual, your quips are in great form. Demonrats! You should truly think of becoming a writer, EMB.
16 posted on 07/31/2003 5:38:28 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
No No No!!!! It's not time yet!

Let the 'Rats continue with their idiotic rants. Dubya is better at rope-a-dope than Ali. At the right time, a very detailed briefing will be provided and the evidence uncovered. The 'Rats will then be in their usual contemporary position of standing there with their willies hanging out.
17 posted on 07/31/2003 5:38:48 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats
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18 posted on 07/31/2003 5:39:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood; sheltonmac; JohnGalt
We're moving toward a strong resolution authorizing the use of force, if necessary, to defend our national security interests against the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. And by passing this resolution we will send a clear message to the world community and to the Iraqi regime the demands of the United Nations Security Council must be followed: the Iraqi dictator must be disarmed. These requirements will be met, or they will be enforced

The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given.--President Bush Sept 28, 2002

State Department reprint of Sept 28,2002 radio address

So which is it? Programs or WMDs ready to go in 45 minutes? Or does it not matter anymore what someone actually says? Note, although this is British intelligence being used it was the main reason Bush gave to 'disarm' Hussein. Funny, didn't say anything about 'spreading democracy' either.....

19 posted on 07/31/2003 5:40:31 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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No, the Dems are already saying that you can't stick weapons programs into missiles and launch them within 45 minutes. They want more than information about a WMD program.
20 posted on 07/31/2003 5:40:40 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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