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Offshore Lore- Myths and facts of white-collar outsourcing
Reason ^ | July 30, 2003 | Jeff Taylor

Posted on 07/31/2003 6:08:32 AM PDT by Wolfie

Offshore Lore -
Myths and facts of white-collar out-sourcing

Last week in a story one-part Pentagon Papers and three-parts F***ed Company, The New York Times jumped into a debate that has been simmering for several years in tech circles—the off-loading of jobs to places like India. You can bet that more stories and plenty of political interest will follow.

Relying on smuggled-out tape of a con-call between top IBM managers, the Times gets credit for taking the story beyond bulletin boards, happy hours, and places like F***ed's sister site, InternalMemos. The Times also wrangled some absolutely jaw-dropping quotes that indicate corporate honchos expect to be able to bluff their way past questions about moving high-paying jobs offshore without anyone calling them on it. It is a dangerous gambit which could produce the worst of all possible worlds: some sort of government hurdle requiring companies to demonstrate a "need" to out-source.

Take this howler from IBM spokeswoman, Kendra R. Collins, "It's not about one shore or another shore. It's about investing around the world, including the United States, to build capability and deliver value as defined by our customers."

No, it's about working the cost side of balance sheet in search of profits; revenues have been flat for two years and show little sign of improving. This is what good managers do, and there is no reason to be ashamed of it if you truly think you are going to make the company stronger.

But the catch is that out-sourcing is being embraced without much sign that it will actually make high-tech firms, particularly software companies, more effective. Highly collaborative, imaginative work might suffer in the hands of technically adept but inexperienced programmers.

The Times also passes along some dubious information on the actual cost of Indian outsourcing which makes the pay gulf between the U.S. and elsewhere seem impossibly wide. Stephanie Moore, vice president for outsourcing at Forrester Research, claims that "crackerjack" Indian programmers can be had for $5,000 a year. That might be close to what the programmers see, but it doesn't represent the cost to a U.S. company to outsource.

According to people who actually negotiate outsourcing contracts for a living, your costs are more like $22 an hour for each warm body once all the third-party finders' fees are paid. An experienced programmer's take in India would be around $11,000 out of total cost of over $40,000. That's still quite a gap from the $60,000 an American might demand but once the all-important question of productivity is factored in, it may not be much of a bargain.

Simply put, once you leave the U.S. you are leaving behind the world's best, most proven pool of programmers. That's is not to say that there aren't excellent programmers in Russia, China, India, and elsewhere. But large-scale, world-changing software development ain't easy. The Net bubble devalued just how hard it is to build neat technology. Shawn Fanning is the exception that proves the rule.

Or as one software engineer who has worked with out-sourced labor for years puts it, "If software development in India is so great, why don't they have a single software company worth a crap?"

Another veteran software developer thinks corporate planners across the industry are delusional and that the matter is somewhat self-correcting. "Your dealing with people who are too smart to just sit back and train their replacements," he tells me. Still, he thinks we are in for a period of flux as out-sourcing plays out as the latest management fad, like TQM or worshipping Jack Welch.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: freetrade; outsourcing
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To: LizardQueen
Done right/reasonably, it's a good way to look at what you're doing and figure out some common sense ways to make it better.

Done wrong, it's a horrible hell of studies and process changes to try to improve some poorly conceived "key process indicator" measurement.
41 posted on 07/31/2003 7:38:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: samuel_adams_us
The Republicans support of big business and management against the working stiffs brings in an explanation of why there are people who still vote Democrat. I wish the screaming patriotic Republicans would spend more effort worrying about the American jobs, American product. Not with protectionist policies, but with policies that nurture, and enhances the viability of American workers/product.
42 posted on 07/31/2003 7:40:04 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Lazamataz
I tend to be migrating towards health care, health care billing, electronic medical record, etc.

You should look into PACS (Picture Archiving and Communication Systems), which is the electronic archiving and routing of health care imaging services. HUGE opportunities there, and very interesting stuff.

43 posted on 07/31/2003 7:46:15 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: LizardQueen
factory workers who assemble parts all day.

Don't be too quick to judge...

If you've ever SEEN the inside of a high-production, close-tolerance factory lately, you might understand that those "factory workers" actually have more than motor skills.

Understanding the machine's 'go/no-go' signs (and understanding what to do about them, and when) are requirements.

Understanding the maintenance and upkeep of machines are requirements.

Understanding that the engineering drawings and reality are not necessarily congruent is a requirement.

"Nuts onto bolts" exists--but is less a part of manufacturing than you may suspect.

44 posted on 07/31/2003 7:50:54 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: LizardQueen
And the difficulty of developing good software increases as the distance between the programmer and the end user increases.

There are two other very important issues which have to do with this comment: 1) "protecting the business," (ensuring that the overall business entity remains viable---using a sense of what the business IS to guide your work..) and 2) SECURITY.

There will be some serious incidents overseas which eventually will convince US firms that it's better to have the manufacturing/coding right here in the USA.

They haven't happened, yet.

45 posted on 07/31/2003 7:54:08 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: ninenot
Sorry - I should've been more specific and/or used a different example.

My father worked for a toy company for years - they had mentally handicapped people on the assembly line who stood there and put the eyeballs onto the dolls face (then the machine would come down and push them into the head).

That's the kind of repetitious, scripted, and no-too-mentally-taxing kind of work that upper management seems to think we do.

LQ
46 posted on 07/31/2003 7:55:26 AM PDT by LizardQueen
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To: samuel_adams_us
Albert Einstein once said, "Great Spirits have always met violent opposition from mediocre minds"

Obviously a whiner.

47 posted on 07/31/2003 7:58:05 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: Wolfie
bump
48 posted on 07/31/2003 7:58:42 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Lazamataz
Most of my career has been in banking/finance. I am focussing myself towards both money transfer and fixed income securities valuation.

In financial services you have to be a subject matter expert. There are tons of coders.
49 posted on 07/31/2003 8:00:04 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: Alberta's Child
"what the heck GW-BASIC was"

Gee Wizz.
50 posted on 07/31/2003 8:01:30 AM PDT by toothless
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To: Marauder
Nothin like an old-fashun straight BAL linear on a 3090 watercooled.
51 posted on 07/31/2003 8:02:00 AM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: LizardQueen
Already is. The "early adopters" of the Indian programmers who blazed this trail 6 years ago are moving resources back (or have gone under, shows what a great move that was). For whatever reason word isn't spreading very quickly in the industry, either that or it's ego and companies are insisting they will succeed where others fail. Either way in a few years the trend will be reversing.
52 posted on 07/31/2003 8:02:18 AM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: ReaganRevolution
For there to be a continuous feedback loop between IT and the users there must be proximity and continuity.

But for the moment the bean counters rule corporate culture. The same reason Hollywood only makes stupid FX sequels is the motive behind outsourcing.
53 posted on 07/31/2003 8:04:02 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: ninenot
Nothin like an old-fashun straight BAL linear on a 3090 watercooled.

LOL, that's what I cut my tech teeth on.

And can you disassemble the instruction out of the dump using a 370 reference card? :::lol:::

LQ

54 posted on 07/31/2003 8:04:14 AM PDT by LizardQueen
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To: LizardQueen; Lazamataz
Try competing with 12 year olds for web development projects! These kids and the other newbies have no concept of change control, test plans, human factors testing, data flow analysis or other critical skills that are needed for a successful projects. All the manager sees is a bargain basement price and a quick turn-around.
55 posted on 07/31/2003 8:06:19 AM PDT by BubbaBasher
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To: Tokhtamish; StolarStorm; lelio
Maybe an IT union is necessary.

I for one do nott see an IT Union as a good thing. Historically Unions have not done well for their members during economic downturns and they tend to get dominated by very anti-business types who put more roadblocks in the way of advancement tahn anything else. I prefer the profssional association model personally if we need an organization which I remain unconvinced of the need for such a formal organization.

56 posted on 07/31/2003 8:07:25 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: ninenot
Whiner?? Considering Albert Einstein had more smarts in his left butt cheek than you do in your whole family tree, I would say I trust his statement more.
57 posted on 07/31/2003 8:07:52 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I'm not sure about that "except in software companies". Goal #1 when a company gets past 100 people seems to be to deny they're a software company. They make up all kinds of new words just to avoid words like "software" or "program". For instance I work for a "communications solution providor" whatever the hell that is.

Other than that you're right on the money.
58 posted on 07/31/2003 8:12:07 AM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: philosofy123
Outsorcing was going strong under Clinton too, but since the economy looked good nobody gave a damn, it's only when the shine comes off the economy that people start worrying about things like this. If we get back up to 4% growth nobody will care again.
59 posted on 07/31/2003 8:17:17 AM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: ninenot; LizardQueen
>>They haven't happened, yet.

Or we just haven't heard about them, as they've been hushed up. I imagine they could cause a serious confidence/stock value slide.
60 posted on 07/31/2003 8:31:26 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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