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Faster gun training for pilots sought
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 07/29/2003 10:50:56 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

In the face of new terrorist hijacker warnings, a pilots' advocacy group is calling on President Bush to expand the number of federal firearms-training facilities so more air crews can fly armed.

According to the Airline Pilots' Security Alliance, a group that has advocated arming pilots, too few air crews are flying with the protection of a firearm aboard the plane, some 22 months after the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackings.

That, APSA says, despite a new Department of Homeland Security warning that al-Qaida terrorists may be planning more suicide hijackings similar to the 9-11 attacks.

"The armed-pilots program needs to be accelerated by President Bush today," said Bob Lambert, a commercial airline pilot and president of APSA. "There are not enough armed pilots to create a deterrent for continued aviation terrorism."

The pilots' advocacy group says only one facility is training airline pilots as federal flight deck officers, under legislation passed by Congress last fall and signed into law. While the pilots' group praised the legislation, officials say the training of pilots is too slow, especially in light of the new warnings.

"The Transportation Security Administration has done a terrible job of arming pilots to date," said APSA spokesman Brian Darling. "… Although training is being conducted currently, there needs to be a radical acceleration of the armed-pilots program to deter al-Qaida from targeting commercial aircraft for September 11-style hijackings."

APSA says only one facility is being utilized to train pilots to carry a firearm during flight, and that facility only turns out 50 pilots per week, or 2,600 per year. As a result, only 100 pilots are currently trained under federal standards to carry firearms, APSA says, nearly two years after the 9-11 attacks.

The pilot's group estimates there are 40,000 volunteer pilots who may seek admission to the armed-pilots program.

"At the current rate of training, it would take 15 years to train 40,000 … pilots," APSA says. "The current slow pace of the Department of Homeland Security is harming the national security of our nation.

"The president has it in his power to invoke an executive order to allow volunteer pilots to carry lethal weapons to defend the cockpits of our nation's airliners," APSA said. "Clearly, had any of the pilots of the hijacked aircraft been armed on September 11, at best those hijackings, through deterrence alone, would have been thwarted; at worst, the pilots would have been provided a fighting chance to defend the cockpits from terrorists."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; apsa; armedpilots; bang; banglist
Wednesday, July 30, 2003

Quote of the Day by goldstategop

1 posted on 07/29/2003 10:50:56 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: *bang_list
 
2 posted on 07/29/2003 11:58:19 PM PDT by Djarum
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To: JohnHuang2
My brother is a right seater with Northwest. There is no one I would rather have armed than him, and if the pansy airlines won't provide the weapons, my brother has quite a few that he could bring along. Most of the pilots have prior military experience, anyway. Hell, make 'em qualify as deputy air marshalls if need be, so as to maintain security for those who are concerned about who carries weapons and stuff.

Sort of brings back the vision of RIDING SHOTGUN

3 posted on 07/30/2003 12:04:48 AM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta!!!! (loosely translated: FREE SABERTOOTH!!!!))
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
Don't mind me...just marking my place.
4 posted on 07/30/2003 12:21:59 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("The Prez is as focused as a doberman on a hambone!"---Dennis Miller)
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks for updating us. My airline is certainly no better off than the article implies. Federal Flight Deck Officer Training is being obstructed by someone in TSA.

Application requires an intrusive background check comparable to receipt of a military Top Secret clearance.

Training classes are few and far too small.

Government expenses per trainee are excessive, especially considering numerous private firearms training academies have offered reduced rates to use their facilities.
5 posted on 07/30/2003 1:45:15 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: Djarum
Air marshals pulled from key flights

WASHINGTON, July 29 — Despite renewed warnings about possible airline hijackings, the Transportation Security Administration has alerted federal air marshals that as of Friday they will no longer be covering cross-country or international flights, MSNBC.com has learned. The decision to drop coverage on flights that many experts consider to be at the highest risk ...

http://www.msnbc.com/news/945774.asp?vts=073020030220
6 posted on 07/30/2003 2:51:56 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: JohnHuang2
I sure hope there is a way for our pilots to circumvent the A-holes and the red tape that are obstructing them.
7 posted on 07/30/2003 4:41:59 AM PDT by Musket
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To: XHogPilot; JohnHuang2; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; Alamo-Girl; kattracks; DoughtyOne
Ping.

Are we really sure Al Gore didn't sneak into the White House in 2001 in a GWB-Mask???

Curses, Norman Mineta, you dirty stinking RAT you, if anything happens, the blood of America's Innocent will be on your hands. There will be no place to hide.

8 posted on 07/30/2003 1:03:53 PM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: XHogPilot
The article has been changed. The TSA has now 1 day later done a flip-flop. Can we say that Karl Rove heard what Tom Ridge and Mineta had done?
9 posted on 07/30/2003 1:07:37 PM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: JohnHuang2
I watched a television report yesterday and could have sworn they said only 40 pilots had graduated the course and were qualified to carry at this time. Whether 40 or 100, it's too damned few if that's the direction they truly want to head. It sounds to me as if more than one person or agency is dragging their feet. What's up with this?
10 posted on 07/30/2003 1:13:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: JohnHuang2
""The Transportation Security Administration has done a terrible job..."

What was to be expected?
Federalizing a bunch of surly slackers, convicts, and assorted incompetents was going to make things better?

Another bureaucracy full of maggots bloating at the open sore of our national insecurity.

11 posted on 07/30/2003 1:19:52 PM PDT by dogbrain ("Life is hard son. It's harder if you're stupid.")
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To: JohnHuang2
"The Transportation Security Administration has done a terrible job of arming pilots to date...

There.

I hate run-on sentences.

12 posted on 07/30/2003 1:24:26 PM PDT by LTCJ
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
Just how much pistol training does an ex-military pilot need anyway?

They can fly a 50 million dollar 747 with 300 passengers in the back, but they need to take a days-long course to qualify with a friggin' Glock????

Gimmee a break.


13 posted on 07/30/2003 3:37:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Paul Ross
Thanks for the heads up!
14 posted on 07/30/2003 10:07:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: JohnHuang2
al Qaeda plot to hijack plane in UK

Homieland Security and Transportation Safety continueously tell us of the impending terrorist danger......yet they balked and stall at arming pilots (many of whom are former and present military pilots who fly the most heavily armed aircraft in the world) ....and fail to close our borders... And like most govt. spend much time lobbying to disarm honest tax paying civilians...

15 posted on 08/24/2003 6:48:32 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: JohnHuang2
al Qaeda plot to hijack plane in UK

Homieland Security and Transportation Safety continueously tell us of the impending terrorist danger......yet they balked and stall at arming pilots (many of whom are former and present military pilots who fly the most heavily armed aircraft in the world) ....and fail to close our borders... And like most govt. spend much time lobbying to disarm honest tax paying civilians...

16 posted on 08/24/2003 6:50:45 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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