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KOOKY, EXTREMIST, FRINGE DEMOCRATS WITH GOOFY IDEAS
ASSEMBLYMAN RAY HAYNES (CA district 66) ^
| 7/25/03
| Assemblyman Ray Haynes
Posted on 07/28/2003 1:44:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway
The biggest story this week (besides the recall) was the secret meeting of several Democrats in which they plotted to hold up the budget for political gain. This would cause people pain, so they would then try to blame Republicans for shutting down the government, and hopefully increase the pressure sufficiently to force Republicans to vote for tax increases. Of course, they held this meeting in the Capitol, and left the microphone on in the meeting room. Just about every office, the entire press corps, and most of the lobbying community then heard the discussions held in their secret meeting. I guess you could chalk up another political blunder to term limits. The entire event was a rookie mistake.
In trying to defuse the situation, the Director of Finance from the Governors Office, referred to them simply as kooky, extremist, fringe democrats with goofy ideas. Many of my Republican friends have speculated that the Democrats in the Assembly are extremist, and we know that their ideas are goofy, but it is nice that a long-time Democrat legislator finally publicly acknowledges their extremism and goofiness, even if it was only to try and make light of a grievous error.
The only problem is that these goofy people run one house of the Legislature. They are the chairs of the Education, Natural Resource, Long-Term Care and Aging Committees, and their decisions actually affect people. When they plot to hold up the budget, which would hurt people, they have enough votes to make it happen. They accuse Republicans of wanting to destroy California, but Republicans barely have enough votes to stop a tax increase, much less change policy in California.
That is why this secret meeting was such an interesting event. Three months ago, Assembly Republicans proposed the first complete budget plan for the Assembly. Democrats had been having meetings for months, but took no action. Republicans decided to take the initiative to prove that the budget could be balanced with no new taxes. They also said that the details of the budget were negotiable, and invited the Democrats to sit down at the table and negotiate. Assembly Democrats stood silent. They refused to negotiate.
Last month, the Assembly Republicans fine tuned their proposal, and once again invited the Democrats to negotiate. The response of the Democrat majority was to put the budget on the floor, and spend four hours bashing the plan. During that entire time, they proposed no plan of their own, refused to negotiate on our budget proposal, and, quite frankly, chose, once again, to take absolutely no action on advancing the budget.
The problem with that approach to the budget is that they are the majority party. Nothing can happen unless those in the majority want it to happen. They have the votes; they run the house. If they do nothing, the state goes bankrupt, and they are doing nothing. They have chosen to attack Republicans rather than negotiate in good faith.
That is a compliment to Republicans in the Assembly. A party that is confident in their agenda and ideas can take the criticism. A confident majority allows the minority to criticize, works with them where they can, but take responsibility for their actions when they cant. If the majority knows the public is with them, they do not fear the exercise of power.
The purpose of the acquisition of power is to implement a policy agenda. If the elected official is afraid the implementation of that policy agenda would cost him or her power, then they have a choice. They can be honest with people and abandon the agenda, or lose power. If they cannot be honest, and keep power, they have the wrong agenda. Republicans had the courage to stand behind their agenda. Democrats ran for the hills. Under those circumstances, who should be running California?
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posted on
07/28/2003 1:46:41 PM PDT
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(Recall The Governer and then recall the rest of the Demon Rats!!!)
To: nickcarraway
Anyone seen a complete list of these kooks and their specific quotes ?
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posted on
07/28/2003 1:48:10 PM PDT
by
RS
(nc)
To: nickcarraway
This is the same sort of extreme goofiness that caused Texas legislators to flee to Oklahoma while the legislature was in session to thwart redistricting.
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posted on
07/28/2003 1:48:12 PM PDT
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
To: nickcarraway
KOOKY, EXTREMIST, FRINGE DEMOCRATS WITH GOOFY IDEAS Poster child
To: nickcarraway
Is a transcript of this discussion available anywhere?
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posted on
07/28/2003 1:51:52 PM PDT
by
ditin
To: nickcarraway
Democrats have proven time and time again that they care nothing for the people of California. They care only about the power to spend the peoples money.
The democrats have spent their way into a 40 billion dollar hole, and now they have no way to recoup other than to raise everyones taxes and cut services.
This is govt at its worst. And it's time for good Californians to stand up and fight!
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posted on
07/28/2003 1:53:59 PM PDT
by
Bullish
To: ditin
I believe there is. Hopefully someone will post it.
To: ditin
I believe there is. Hopefully someone will post it.
To: nickcarraway
EXCEPTS FROM DEMOCRATIC STUDY GROUP DISCUSSION
July 21, 2003
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Nunez]: Hannah-Beth, are you saying that if we dont take it to the point if we dont get more revenues, we do not support a budget that has an additional $1.5 billion worth of cuts.
At least to start it off at the point of discussion
* * *
Assemblymember Jackson:
the question is how are they going to formulate the budget they are going to send over to us. Wheres the next $1.5 billion in cuts going to come from?
* * *
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Nunez]: I understand that, Hannah-Beth. My point is, given that we know we are not going to get new revenues the, is what were saying that we just want to have input as to where those cuts are going to be or are we saying we dont support cuts that deeply into this budget
.
* * *
Assemblymember Jackson:
The question is, I think were looking at $1.5 billion worth of cuts
* * *
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Dymally]: Hannah-Beth,
what are we asking, what are we saying to the Senate folks?
* * *
Assemblymember Jackson:
We want to know what your plan is
what are you proposing?
the reality is that when the Senate sends it over to us, it is going
it is going to be a problem in 04-05. We want them to respect our input so that we can go out when we do get a budget
.
* * *
Assemblymember Nunez: No. But, you know, theres a very responsible perspective to that, in that precipitating the crisis does not necessarily mean that -- if youre thinking about this is, the strategy for the 55 percent, all the polls, all the polls suggest that if you dont have a budget, that it lent itself to help support the effort for the 55 percent. Thats what the proponents say - CTA and the others - are saying about that. In addition, in terms of the recall, the extent to which the Governor can do a good job of making a connection between having no budget and the Republican [inaud] on the recall -- I dont know if any of you have heard the Darrell Issa commercials on the radio, but theyre all about the budget. Its all about whats going on right now. Thats why he wants to be governor. And hes saying we dont have a budget because of Gray Davis. The folks that are heading up the anti-recall effort think if you dont have the budget, it helps Democrats in the recall effort. If you dont have a budget, it helps Democrats on the 55 percent. So if youre looking strictly at outcomes in terms of how were preparing and gearing ourselves to win the war on the 55 percent, there are, [inaud] I mean, theres
* * *
Assemblymember Goldberg: The question that I have, is that - and I go back to both 92 and to 78 - when people never saw what, they never got to see really up front and close what Prop 13 really did. Because what we did in education was is that teachers started subsidizing their classrooms, and we cut out art and we cut out music and we cut out drama and we cut out sports in some areas and, cut out tutoring and [inaud] teachers and we raised class size. And people thought: look, schools are all still open, this didnt hurt anyone. Some of us are thinking that maybe people should see the pain up close and personal, right now.
* * *
Assemblymember Goldberg:
they are 10, 10, and 5 over there. Ten want to hold out for [inaud], ten want to [inaud], and five [inaud]. Were going to try and find out tomorrow where we are.
* * *
Assemblymember Goldberg: But we have to figure out what we do think. And I do think it has to be in line with two things, and thats one of the reasons that I asked Mr. Dymally to get us together. One is how it impacts the 55 percent proposition. And secondly whether or not - if theres going to be a crisis to happen - if theres going to be a crisis, whether it should be this year or next year, in terms of members of our House who want to get re-elected, in terms of members of our House who [inaud]. Personally, I think the crisis is better off this year than next year. But thats a discussion that I just want to make sure you have, and thats happens, and thats why [inaud]
* * *
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Laird]:
to talk with her about the budget and see if thats the thing that we feel like those concerns have been removed and that its worked as a political strategy. If we got every Dem but Marco and Richman to go up on it, and suddenly
I mean thats the first line that can be crossed in public. Politically, theres some statements.
And if the Senate is about to send something worse, they might be in a better position and it might even force the out-year issue. I think thats a strategy worth taking a hard look at. And maybe an intermediate step is meeting with them to see if, strategy-wise, if that is something worth recommending to this group. And should we toss that out?
Assemblymember Goldberg: I will say that Canciamilla reported that Richman would not go for that budget. I hear that if it didnt include a commitment on workers comp -- 17200 and other structural needs.
Unidentified Assemblymember: So technically its (inaude)
Assemblymember Goldberg: So heres the question.
Unidentified Assemblymember: You said both of those and some other structure.
Assemblymember Dymally: Alan? Alan?
Assemblymember Jackson: We need to also keep in mind there is another factor here. Weve got a problem. Excuse me, but dont Mr. Brulte and Mr. Cox dislike each other? So, will Cox automatically accept a Brulte budget, or is there something else?
Unidentified Assemblymember: Thats another story
Assemblymember Jackson: Well, yes that is another story.
Unidentified Assemblymember [possibly Levine]: Its our story. Its our story. If were sitting there getting hit. At some point, the decision, as John said, has got to be 28 Republicans or 26 Dems; its really their budget. So, that more Republicans go up and yet the Cox/Brulte thing you know, they hate each other because
I dont want to go up on that budget.
Assemblymember Goldberg: Yes
Assemblymember Laird: And whether its two of us who have less than 50 percent Dems in our district that have high green turnouts or something like that. You know (inaudible).
Assemblymember Goldberg: Its up to my successor
..
Unidentified Assemblymember: Yes, thats not where we need to be put up our budget. So, there needs to be a lot of Republicans up to give some people a pass and the Cox-Brulte thing is very much trouble.
Assemblymember Goldberg: That wont happen. I think its very unlikely that a Democrat will get a pass on any of these budgets. I just dont think thats going to happen. If I might just say, I think Allan and Patty both worked on that budget didnt you? I think it would be wonderful if we could find out in Canciamilla and Richman.
Unidentified Staffer: Excuse me, guys, you can be heard outside.
Assemblymember Goldberg: Oh, shit.
Unidentified Staffer: The squawk box is on you need to turn it off right there.
Assemblymember Goldberg: How could that happen?
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posted on
07/28/2003 2:04:28 PM PDT
by
ElkGroveDan
(Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
To: nickcarraway
As Alex Trebek might say-"A more specific headline is needed."
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posted on
07/28/2003 2:05:48 PM PDT
by
John W
To: nickcarraway
Kooky, fringe Democrats, left wing extremists.....these are words we need to use more often.
To: nickcarraway
That is a compliment to Republicans in the Assembly. A party that is confident in their agenda and ideas can take the criticism. A confident majority allows the minority to criticize, works with them where they can, but take responsibility for their actions when they cant. If the majority knows the public is with them, they do not fear the exercise of power. The purpose of the acquisition of power is to implement a policy agenda. If the elected official is afraid the implementation of that policy agenda would cost him or her power, then they have a choice. They can be honest with people and abandon the agenda, or lose power. If they cannot be honest, and keep power, they have the wrong agenda. Republicans had the courage to stand behind their agenda. Democrats ran for the hills. Under those circumstances, who should be running California?
Brilliant points. Much needed to be said. I feel like I am alone on here sometimes giving credit to the CA GOP for what they did accomplish in the budget. Too many cynics not realizing what they went through to keep taxes from being raised. BRAVO!
More importantly, their actions are changing my mind on the CA GOP in general. With quotes like this maybe it isn't that the party is as feckless and RINO as I thought, maybe the problem is papers like the LA Times, the SF Chron, and SJ Mercury are so far Left they refuse to use good quotes like these and people like myself don't even know what they think.
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posted on
07/28/2003 2:36:44 PM PDT
by
PeoplesRep_of_LA
(Governor McClintock on October 7, 2003!)
To: nickcarraway
KOOKY, EXTREMIST, FRINGE DEMOCRATS WITH GOOFY IDEASMost Redundant Title Bump
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posted on
07/28/2003 4:27:37 PM PDT
by
DannyTN
(Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
To: ElkGroveDan
Little Patty Berg from the northcoast was in on the meeting. Here is what the Times-Standard had to say...
Editorial
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posted on
07/28/2003 5:29:38 PM PDT
by
tubebender
(FReepin Awesome...)
To: nickcarraway
bump
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posted on
07/28/2003 9:47:46 PM PDT
by
steplock
(www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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