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Some Parents Question Wisdom of Tax Cuts
The Citizen ^ | 7-27-03 | DAVID CRARY-AP

Posted on 07/27/2003 5:21:22 PM PDT by Kudsman

Some Parents Question Wisdom of Tax Cuts

By DAVID CRARY For millions of middle-class families, the check is in the mail _ $400, $800, perhaps more _ courtesy of Congress. Parents benefiting from the expanded child tax credit will welcome the cash, but some question the wisdom of such payouts at a time of deficits and cutbacks.

"I'd rather have the public services and the public schools have the money they need," said Jean Powers, 41, a mother of two from Beaverton, Ore. "I'm not happy with it."

Even more displeased are some of the low-income parents not receiving the checks _ notably those who earn less than roughly $26,000 and are excluded from the credit because they don't pay enough federal income tax.

"I'm very angry," said Linda Hayes, 40, an office manager in Grand Rapids, Mich. A single mother, she supports a 14-year-old son and 9-year-old daughter on a $23,000 salary.

"I'm tired of working hard and still not being able to provide properly for my children," she said. "I'm tired of having to choose canned vegetables instead of fresh ones. I feel I don't count, my kids don't count."

She said some better-off families might simply invest their payments; she would have used hers to get car repairs and corrective lens for her son, who lacks medical insurance.

The first round of rebate checks for the child tax credit were mailed out Friday, aimed primarily at families earning $26,000 to $110,000 with children under 17. Worth up to $400 per child, the checks are the result of a tax cut enacted in May.

"I'm happy to get money in the summer because money is tight," said Tom Franke, a high school teacher, swim coach and father of two from Maple Grove, Minn. But he questioned whether the credit made sense as the federal deficit grows.

"The government is cutting our funding to our schools, and that makes me a little bit nervous. We needed extra money to fund our war," he said. "There are better ways to spend this money."

Randi Born of Plymouth, Minn., said the checks will be welcome at a time when her two teenage sons are preparing to return to school

"It is just kind of like a little gift," said Born. "If I was good person I would donate it. But maybe what the government wants me to do is to spend it and stimulate the economy."

The rebate checks are to be mailed by Aug. 8 to more than 25 million taxpayers. Critics contend the program should be extended to 7 million more low-income households with about 12 million children.

Melinda Dutton, director of policy at the New York branch of the Children's Defense Fund, said the economic stimulus would be greater if the House of Representatives dropped its opposition to including those poor families.

"Nobody is more likely to put it right into the economy than low-income working families." she said. "They are struggling to pay for child care, rent, groceries."

That argument resonated with Anna Connor, a mother of two from Albany, N.Y.

"It's not going to make a big difference for me," she said of her expected check. "I feel bad for the people who need it and aren't going to get it."

"There are better ways to stimulate the economy," agreed Eileen Holand, a real estate agent and mother of three from New Richmond, Wis.

Joan Medlen of Portland, Ore., who has two children, was pleased to hear about the payment.

But with a teenager suffering from Down syndrome and autism, the money won't go far, Medlen said. Unlike some states, Oregon doesn't provide financial assistance to middle-class families that have children with disabilities.

"We put out significant money for skilled care for our child," she said. "Eight-hundred dollars, while helpful, doesn't even make a dent."

Curt Roseman, 32, of Cary, N.C., said the check for his two children would likely go into their college savings plan, not for a shopping spree.

"Not until I see the economy turn around a little more," said Roseman, a utility company employee. "Until people see unemployment rates go down, they're not going to spend discretionary cash."

Paul Lynch, 54, a parks worker in Cincinnati, said his check will go toward his 13-year-old son's tuition at a parochial school.

"It's useful," he said. "As far as stimulating the economy, I don't think so. They (Washington) have tried everything, and nothing seems to work."

But Toby Placencia, 45, of Vancouver, Wash., had no complaints and no quibbling. "Any time the government doesn't take more money, it's a good idea," he said.


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Anna Connor, a mother of two from Albany, N.Y....

"It's not going to make a big difference for me," she said of her expected check. "I feel bad for the people who need it and aren't going to get it."

Aw come on lady it wasn't taken from their taxable income to begin with. And spare me the "they paid gas, cigs, sales etc. tax crap. So did I and that is not what is being refunded. No income tax liability means you paid nothing so you get nothing back from nothing. To get something back from giving nothing is pure redistribution. We already enjoy giving the poor redistributed money through EIC.

1 posted on 07/27/2003 5:21:22 PM PDT by Kudsman
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To: Kudsman
This is how long it took scrape up the 10 or so people who will find a way to say a rose is ugly. How many months now?
2 posted on 07/27/2003 5:27:34 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (Education starts in the home. Education stops in the public schools)
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To: Kudsman
"I'm very angry," said Linda Hayes, 40, an office manager in Grand Rapids, Mich. A single mother, she supports a 14-year-old son and 9-year-old daughter on a $23,000 salary.

Where's daddy? I would rather he (and her) support their offspring than expect me to do it.

3 posted on 07/27/2003 5:28:03 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: Kudsman
"I'd rather have the public services and the public schools have the money they need," said Jean Powers, 41, a mother of two from Beaverton, Ore.

Shut up, lady. I'd rather have the money in my pocket.

4 posted on 07/27/2003 5:29:01 PM PDT by admiralsn (If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future plans.)
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To: Kudsman
Give them their EIC checks early. Of course, they'll get a bit of a surprise when they file their zero due taxes and don't get their customary check for $1500 to $2000, but that's the breaks. They say they want it now.
5 posted on 07/27/2003 5:30:23 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Kudsman
They don't want their money? Send it to me.
6 posted on 07/27/2003 5:31:20 PM PDT by meow
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To: Kudsman
boy you got that right bout the EIC.
when i get mine next week ive got most of it spent and happily i might add on my kids,school clothes and a swimming pool so take that you gripers and whiners.bet you spend it all the same.
if you feel bad bout your money being given back to you give to the mission or to your poor nieghbor but shut up with the griping.
i dont feel bad one itty bitty bit so there.
7 posted on 07/27/2003 5:31:56 PM PDT by suzyq5558 (God bless America ,land that i love.)
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To: Kudsman
For millions of middle-class families, the check is in the mail _ $400, $800, perhaps more _ courtesy of Congress.

Courtesy of Congress? How did they earn it?

8 posted on 07/27/2003 5:34:07 PM PDT by TankerKC (If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil come from?)
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Joseph Blow of Schenectady, NY reports that he is very dissatisfied with his $800 check. "I think it shoulda been 800 million. What is this country coming too?"

Ima Weezler of Canton, OH is also most distressed about not getting a check. "I have no children and haven't worked for years. Its not fair that I don't get $400 of somebody elses refunds. Its not my fault I don't have a taxable income and no children!".

Matt Jones feels that he is being discriminated against because he is only 10 years old. "My parents got a refund but I got nothing. The least they could do would be to estimate my future earnings and assume I will have an average number of children sometime in the future and go ahead and rebate that amount. I want a new bike and some Pokemon cards so they could just send those to me instead if thats easier."

Ben Wynan of Miami, FL thinks the government has a long way to go. First, they need to rebate every man woman and child in the country enough money to live on. Then they need to establish a minimum wage where we can all live in luxury. Enough of this raising it a piddling 50 cents an hour, why an inch instead of a mile? Everyone in this country deserves a good education as well. Free college for everyone is the only acceptable policy. There are a lot more things I am for also." When Ben gets his free college scholarship he intends to take an Economics 101 course at his local community college. He plans on using government provided medical care to have his feet removed so he can qualify for disability payments. "I figure that I will use my non-payers tax refund to buy me some Bubble-Up and Rainbow Stew. I've heard a lot about those and want to try me some."
9 posted on 07/27/2003 5:35:42 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Kudsman
"I'd rather have the public services and the public schools have the money they need," said Jean Powers, 41, a mother of two from Beaverton, Ore. "I'm not happy with it."

This communist is free to donate her rebate to the schools. Has she done this? Why didn't the interviewer ask her if she planned to do this?

"I'm very angry," said Linda Hayes, 40, an office manager in Grand Rapids, Mich. A single mother, she supports a 14-year-old son and 9-year-old daughter on a $23,000 salary.

"I'm tired of working hard and still not being able to provide properly for my children," she said. "I'm tired of having to choose canned vegetables instead of fresh ones. I feel I don't count, my kids don't count."

Where's the father? Maybe if she can't provide properly for her children she should put them up for adoption. Maybe she should have thought about this before she decided to get jiggy with it and conceive two human beings.

It's not going to make a big difference for me," she said of her expected check. "I feel bad for the people who need it and aren't going to get it."

Well, why doesn't he donate this money to a needy family or to a shelter? Was wasn't he asked this in the interview?

"There are better ways to stimulate the economy," agreed Eileen Holand, a real estate agent and mother of three from New Richmond, Wis.

Either the article omitted Eileen Holand's economics degrees from college or Mrs Holand doesn't have any, thus her opinion on what will stimulate the economy doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Curt Roseman, 32, of Cary, N.C., said the check for his two children would likely go into their college savings plan, not for a shopping spree.

Putting the money into college savings plans will invest it in funds which will result in some company or institution, somewhere, being able to expand its business, thus hiring people.

"It's useful," he said. "As far as stimulating the economy, I don't think so. They (Washington) have tried everything, and nothing seems to work."

This is part of the failing of relying on the liberal news media for his information. Washington has not tried CUTTING THE M*THERF***ING GOVERNMENT SPENDING BY A SINGLE PENNY.

10 posted on 07/27/2003 5:40:41 PM PDT by xrp
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To: Kudsman
Had to stop reading this tripe when I got to the part where she said we are cutting funding to schools. Huh? If only.......
11 posted on 07/27/2003 5:41:37 PM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: Kudsman
Is it time to renew the "tax me more" campaign?
12 posted on 07/27/2003 5:42:35 PM PDT by meyer
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To: TankerKC
Courtesy of Congress? How did they earn it?

Hey it takes a lot of effort to have the power of lethal force (guns) behind you to seize money from the law-abiding citizenry. Oh...wait, that's STEALING, not earning. Sorry, my bad.

13 posted on 07/27/2003 5:42:36 PM PDT by xrp
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To: Kudsman
I'd rather have the public services and the public schools have the money they need," said Jean Powers, 41, a mother of two from Beaverton, Ore.

Public schools are funded locally. Guess she should have attended more.

Sales and property taxes are a local issue if you want a rebate for that try hitting up your locally elected officials and good luck.

As for me I am pissed that I don't get more money back. After all which Congress man worked 3 jobs to earn the right to give me MY money back!

14 posted on 07/27/2003 5:43:30 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (Live from the ladies room here at Tubbys DriveIn.)
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To: meyer
How about a tax on stupidity. Then we could hit more people like the ones who complained they are not getting a rebate on money they never paid.
15 posted on 07/27/2003 5:45:02 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (Live from the ladies room here at Tubbys DriveIn.)
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To: meow
Dear Liberal Morons:

1) It's MY damn money.
2) Mine is paying off $400 of daycare I already owe, a new pair of work pants, and my colonoscopy. Just because you have too much money doesn't mean the rest of us want to give it back.
3) Nobody cares if you don't want your money...YOU send it back.
4) And if you don't earn enough to pay in the first place, then you are just asking for my money back! Jeez!

16 posted on 07/27/2003 5:45:16 PM PDT by 50sDad ("Can't sleep...clowns will eat me!")
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To: Kudsman
If they don't want it, they can always send the checks back. If they think the tax rates are too low, they can always send more dollars in to the IRS.
17 posted on 07/27/2003 5:45:39 PM PDT by bfree (Liberals are EVIL!!!)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
Had to stop reading this tripe when I got to the part where she said we are cutting funding to schools. Huh? If only.......

If only is right! Schools have enjoyed funding increases at well over the rate of inflation for several years. Where is the money going??????????

18 posted on 07/27/2003 5:46:43 PM PDT by meyer
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To: Arkinsaw
Dammitboy, but Ilike the way you think!
19 posted on 07/27/2003 5:46:46 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Serving You - on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: Kudsman
"I'd rather have the public services and the public schools have the money they need," said Jean Powers, 41, a mother of two from Beaverton, Ore. "I'm not happy with it."

Hey DUMBO, no one is forcing you to accept the tax cut. Just send your check back to the government!
20 posted on 07/27/2003 5:49:46 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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