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The Pleistocene Extinction
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Posted on 07/25/2003 7:32:42 PM PDT by ckilmer

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To: Battle Axe
Nice post.

My theory is that Noah prefered to take the 2 foot beavers into his ark, instead of the 6 foot variety, they would take up less space and less food.

Although it is not necessary to believe that Noah had dinosaurs on the ark, the flood theory would certainly explain why all the dinosaurs died out in one generation.

Besides satisfying why the little dinosaurs did not survive with the big ones, you also have to account for everything else that did survive. Eg, crocidiles,turtles, and ants and cockaroaches, etc which everyone agrees were concurrent with the dinosaurs.

Again, the flood theory holds up. After the flood, only those reptiles who "hid" their eggs(by burying them ) e.g. crocidiles would survive, because the mammels let loose from the ark would quickly eat up any dinosaur eggs lying around on top of the ground- thus all dinosaurs which layed eggs on top of the ground died out in one generation - didnt matter if they were big dinosaurs or little ones.

The meteor theory which said that big dinosaurs could not find food, does not account for why the little dinosaurs which required very little food also died out. A world wide disaster which resulted in little vegetation does not explain why tiny dinosaurs survived.

As far as why we think the earth "appears" to be so old, is because you cant make a mountain in one day, and make it look like it is one day old.

One single minute after a mountain was made, it "looked" a billion years old, not a day. One second minute after Adam was made he looked like a 30 year old male, not a one second old male. There is no way to make a 30 year old male appear to be only one second old.

41 posted on 07/26/2003 4:33:27 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: ckilmer
If the earth and the oceans were as old as some scientists say, then the sediment and mineral deposits in the ocean would be vastly larger than what we find.

It has been calculated by many scientists how much deposits we have in the ocean and how deep the sediment is. We also have calcuated how much deposits are run off into the ocean each year. From that we can calculate how long the oceans have been around by adding up the yearly deposit runoff until we get the total deposits in the ocean.

Nearly all minerals and deposits calculations add up to between 5000 and 10000 years of runoff.

42 posted on 07/26/2003 4:37:33 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: U S Army EOD
Normally, when you talk of "natural selection", and "survival of the fittest", you would think that the 6 foot beaver would push the little beavers out of the way, and only the bigger mammels would survive.

What actually happened, says that all the little mammels lived, all the little male animals got to mate with the female animals, and all the big mammels eventually died out, regardless of food source or living conditions - that is contrary to the obvious in who survives and who doesnt when brute force determines who takes over making the dam and who gets to mate with female beavers.

43 posted on 07/26/2003 4:43:03 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: blam
Disaster bump
45 posted on 07/26/2003 7:39:13 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Battle Axe
Large animals tend to be more vunerable to extinction than small animals, as there are smaller numbers of them, and they can't scavenge small pockets of food as effectively.

Burrow and den dwellers are acustomed to low oxygen levels. It's possible 6 ft beavers denned in more open areas, while their 2 ft cousins denned in a more familliar enclosed lodge.

I find it fascinating that the North American cows (bison) and the goats (deer and antelope) survived where the camel and horse did not.

I'm guessing here. Camel and horse are almost exclusively flatlanders - low altitude. Goats deer and antelope also dwell in mountains - high altitude. If there is a drop in oxygen levels the high altitude critters could move down hill to an area with higher partial pressure of oxygen. Flatlanders are stuck, no place to go to get enough air, they can't run far, think clearly, etc...

47 posted on 07/26/2003 8:45:31 AM PDT by null and void (Don't know about the bison...)
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To: Battle Axe
Probability Zero
48 posted on 07/26/2003 8:47:37 AM PDT by null and void (Analog just isn't the same since Kanukistan took it over...)
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To: ckilmer
Bump
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49 posted on 07/26/2003 8:54:13 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (~~~ http://www.ourgangnet.net ~~~~~)
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To: ckilmer
TILT! Game's over!
50 posted on 07/26/2003 9:03:42 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Pseudo conservatives are everywhere.)
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To: Battle Axe
I don't know if the bison roamed in the hills or if they were exclusive flatlanders.

Horses can out run bison today.

In short bursts. I *think* a bison can run a horse into the ground in the long haul.

The difference between being a sprinter and a marathon runner. Perhaps this difference in "wind" goes with an ability to surive a lower oxygen level.

That's three testable hypothesis. Do bison roam the hills? Can a bison out marathon a horse? -and- Can marathoners get by with less oxygen than sprinters?

52 posted on 07/26/2003 9:26:54 AM PDT by null and void
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To: Battle Axe
I find it fascinating that the North American cows (bison) and the goats (deer and antelope) survived where the camel and horse did not. All herbivores where there would appear to be little competition for food. Predators would take them on an equal basis. Any thoughts on this?

Interesting. I dont think horses and cows would be taken equally by predetors. Although a bull cow is very dangerous, I would think the horse would survive over cows, horses are faster than cows, smarter than cows, have more herd/protection instinct, and are good fighters. The horses' demise must have been because of a preference of horse meat over cow meat, or else by a disease that affected horses and not cattle.

53 posted on 07/26/2003 11:12:50 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: djf
There was an event 28,000 years that killed a bunch of mammoths and other animals at one riverbank near Waco, TX.

http://www3.baylor.edu/Museum_Studies/mammoth.htm
55 posted on 07/26/2003 11:28:18 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: LasVegasMac
Did someone say Mt St Helens?


56 posted on 07/26/2003 11:32:52 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: null and void
"In short bursts. I *think* a bison can run a horse into the ground in the long haul."

Humans have more endurance than any mammal alive.

57 posted on 07/26/2003 12:08:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: waterstraat
The question is: "What would kill all the 6 foot beavers, and leave all the 2 foot beavers?

Maybe a better question would be: "What would kill all the 6 foot beavers, and not kill all of the 2 foot beavers?"

It's a subtle difference, but the these beds of frozen animals contain many species that are not extinct. In other words, the disaster affected all species but did not make them all extinct.

58 posted on 07/26/2003 12:25:49 PM PDT by e_engineer
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To: djf
A total of ten events near Portland yesterday, and four more so far today. Mt. djf is rising!
59 posted on 07/26/2003 12:28:11 PM PDT by djf
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