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To: Southack
To: DoughtyOne

"Yes, when did Bush unsign the ICC? Once Bush knew the treaty was a done deal, anotherwords enough nations were committed to signing on by a
certain date, he voiced disagreement. Once again, it was too late."

It wasn't too late. Bush has taken the U.S. out of the ICC, and Bush has convinced numerous other ICC nations to give us immunity from the ICC when Americans are on the territory of those other nations.

In my last post to you, in response to you calling my assertion that Bush waited too late to unsign the ICC treaty rubbish, once again stated you were wrong.   On this subject I mentioned that the ICC is a reality today in no small part due to the failure of the United State's leadership to condemn it from day one.  Clinton and Bush deserve the blame for this.  Neither of them took a firm stand against it until it was known to a certainty that it would be ratified.  Once again you ignore this fact to rant on.

Now granted, taking on the ICC that Clinton signed wasn't Bush's very first Executive Action.

Nobody expected it to be his first action.  I'm not sure how long it took you to realize the plan to create an  ICC was wrong, but it took me less than 15 months.  Here is an article from NewsMax that was still urging the President to unsign the ICC as late as April of 2002.  Here's the link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/670218/posts

Here's a CNSNews article from April 2, 2002.  It's titled UN Poised To Ratify International Criminal Court http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/658123/posts

Bush finally unsigned the treaty on May 06, 2002, over fifteen months after taking office, and over one full month after it was known to be a done deal. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/679031/posts

I will be waiting for your appology.
 

189 posted on 08/03/2003 2:40:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
"On this subject I mentioned that the ICC is a reality today in no small part due to the failure of the United State's leadership to condemn it from day one. Clinton and Bush deserve the blame for this. Neither of them took a firm stand against it until it was known to a certainty that it would be ratified. Once again you ignore this fact to rant on."

Europe was bound and determined to sign the ICC treaty. Just as Old Europe opposed our war on Iraq no matter what we said or did, so to were they going to ratify the ICC no matter what we said or did. Expending efforts here to convince Old Europeans not to ratify that treaty would have been largely wasted effort. It also happened under Clinton. Bush came into office and unsigned it.

202 posted on 08/03/2003 3:35:46 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: DoughtyOne
"I'm not sure how long it took you to realize the plan to create an ICC was wrong, but it took me less than 15 months. Here is an article from NewsMax that was still urging the President to unsign the ICC as late as April of 2002."

Really? Can you show a single post that you made criticizing the ICC prior to Bush killing U.S. involvement in it?

204 posted on 08/03/2003 3:40:26 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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