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What's Wrong with Twinkling Buttocks?
City Journal ^
| Summer 2003
| Theodore Dalrymple
Posted on 07/22/2003 3:08:33 PM PDT by Hobsonphile
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More cultural discussion from an author I've always enjoyed.
To: Our man in washington
Arts ping!
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posted on
07/22/2003 3:09:02 PM PDT
by
Hobsonphile
(We are not this story's author, who fills time and eternity with his purpose. -George W. Bush)
To: LibertyGirl77; sakka; Conservative4Ever; T Lady; Fester Chugabrew; sonserae; Hobsonphile; Deb; ...
Arts ping!
To: Hobsonphile
I want you to know that the term "twinkling buttocks" only appears twice in the article.
I feel cheated.
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posted on
07/22/2003 3:26:30 PM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
To: Hobsonphile
Great article. Thanks for the post/link. Dalrymple can be very good.
FMCDH
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posted on
07/22/2003 3:29:40 PM PDT
by
nothingnew
(the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
To: Hobsonphile
Absolutely brilliant piece. And it can now be told: D.H. Lawrence is an abysmal blot on English literature.
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posted on
07/22/2003 3:33:10 PM PDT
by
wideawake
(God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
To: wideawake
Indeed he is. Boring, boring, boring. How these arrogant snobs ever got into power is beyond me.
To: Hobsonphile
A Dalrymple BTT. Frankly, I found Lady Chatterly's Lover to be unreadable, and not because it used naughty words, because it was stupefyingly boring.
To: Hobsonphile
SPOTREP
To: Hobsonphile
Just one example of his analysis:
For example, the boundless prurience of the British press concerning the private lives of public figures, especially politicians, has an ideological aim: to subvert the very concept and deny the possibility of virtue, and therefore of the necessity for restraint. If every person who tries to defend virtue is revealed to have feet of clay (as which of us does not?) or to have indulged at some time in his life in the vice that is the opposite of the virtue he calls for, then virtue itself is exposed as nothing but hypocrisy: and we may therefore all behave exactly as we choose. The loss of the religious understanding of the human conditionthat Man is a fallen creature for whom virtue is necessary but never fully attainableis a loss, not a gain, in true sophistication. The secular substitutethe belief in the perfection of life on earth by the endless extension of a choice of pleasuresis not merely callow by comparison but much less realistic in its understanding of human nature.
Yes, exactly.
To: Hobsonphile
Wow! An English author who can actually write in complete sentences!
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posted on
07/22/2003 4:28:53 PM PDT
by
raybbr
To: madprof98
yeah, what he said.
To: Hobsonphile
the Brits......................Yawn
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posted on
07/22/2003 4:44:35 PM PDT
by
WhiteGuy
(Deficit $455,000,000,000 + MY VOTE IS FOR SALE)
To: Hobsonphile
oh, how flirtatious they are, our literati, drawn to taboo as flies to dung... Yes! If I see the word "transgressive" one more time on the arts page of my local rag, I think I'll go down to their offices and rip someone's head off.
What's left to "transgress," in any case?
Great article, thanks for posting it.
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posted on
07/22/2003 4:55:46 PM PDT
by
livius
To: Hobsonphile
So what's wrong with "twinkling buttocks?"
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posted on
07/22/2003 4:58:40 PM PDT
by
sauropod
("Come over here and make me. I dare you. You little fruitcake, you little fruitcake.")
To: Lazamataz
I feel cheated. Me too.... I expected pictures.
To: Hobsonphile
After all, your headline put a thong in my heart ;-)
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posted on
07/22/2003 5:00:45 PM PDT
by
sauropod
("Come over here and make me. I dare you. You little fruitcake, you little fruitcake.")
To: Hobsonphile
Dalrymple makes a much larger point, which applies in a lot of areas other than crudity and pornography.
Namely, that laws are meaningful only so long as most people would obey the spirit of the laws even if the letter had never been written.
As my favorite John Adams quote put it:
"We have no government armed in power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
It's also true that the demise of "little" things such as an aversion to pornography or adultery has historically been accompanied by the demise of big things, such as honor and trust (see, e.g., Rome and Athens).
Those who say, "you can't legislate morality," are basically correct. It would be nice, however, if the people who said that weren't also the ones working hardest to undermine morality in the first place.
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posted on
07/22/2003 5:17:29 PM PDT
by
r9etb
To: Hobsonphile
Ping for the Manhattan Institute, one of the finest groups around.
To: Billthedrill
Frankly, I found Lady Chatterly's Lover to be unreadable, and not because it used naughty words, because it was stupefyingly boringI've never cared for 'bodice rippers' be they written by women OR men. I heard about this book when I was in high school in the 60's, but never had any overwhelming desire to read it. After reading Dalrymple's article, I'm sure I never will.
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posted on
07/22/2003 8:02:25 PM PDT
by
SuziQ
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