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Mexican ID card under fire: GOP lawmakers want document banned as valid identification
Gannett News Service ^ | July 21, 2003

Posted on 07/21/2003 9:08:44 PM PDT by new cruelty

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:43:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON -- A popular identification card issued by the Mexican government to its citizens living abroad is under attack in Congress, where a vocal group of Republican lawmakers wants it banned as an acceptable form of identification.

The Bush administration is taking notice. Top federal officials at several agencies are developing a policy for recognizing such cards, and the Treasury Department announced this month that it is reviewing rules for banks on what foreign documents are acceptable to verify a customer

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1 posted on 07/21/2003 9:08:44 PM PDT by new cruelty
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here is another article (editorial) on the matter:

Mexican ID card is not a big threat

Politicians like to extol the virtues of the "melting pot" that is America.

The melting pot is just fine with them, until one of the flavors wants to stand out.

In Congress right now, more than 100 members are calling for prohibition of an innocent ID card known as the matricula consular. Officially named the Certificado de Matricula Consular, it is issued to nationals in Mexico as an identity card. It is estimated that more than 1 million Mexican immigrants in California carry the card and use it as a form of personal identification.

Many Republicans in Congress, including Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Visalia, want that stopped.

A bill introduced by Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Santa Barbara, would prohibit use of identity cards of foreign origin.

It's difficult to find a valid reason why the matricula consular should be banned, other than the obvious discrimination.

The matricula is used as informal identification in a wide variety of instances, most of them private -- check-cashing, opening a bank account, proof of age and identity. It's up to the person seeking valid identification to accept it or not. No one is suggesting that the card be used in lieu of a driver's license, Social Security card, green card or any other document issued by the state or federal government. So where's the harm?

Opponents say it constitutes a threat to homeland security to have these foreign-issued ID cards around. How? Would-be terrorists would have phony green cards, passports and driver's licenses anyway. The security threat of the matricula is nonsense.

Any identification in fact assists law enforcement, as long as the identification is valid. The threat arises when the matricula is phony. But since it is being used in the United States to establish identity in the first place, how is that an issue?

True, undocumented immigrants use the matricula to get their foot in the door for legal documents here. But it's naive to think that banning the matricula would have any effect on undocumented immigrants in California. As with the case of driver's licenses, any valid identification for undocumented workers at least gives authorities a chance to keep track of them.

With the other problems related to immigration and securing the nation's borders, as well as the problems facing immigrants themselves, this issue ought to be way down the list of priorities of our lawmakers. It only reveals their fears about immigrants, and it's not a particularly attractive revelation.

2 posted on 07/21/2003 9:12:56 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
The Mexican government has been issuing the cards since 1871 but redesigned them in March last year in response to heightened U.S. security concerns following the
2001 terrorist attacks.

This is so disingenuous.  The cards in use since 1871 did not facilitate the opening of bank accounts or facilitate other quazi-citizenship type services.  This card was redesigned in an effort to promote them as substitutes for legitimate papers required by the US.

The article states this very clearly with this language, "The new matriculas, issued through 47 Mexican consulates in the United States, contain the cardholder’s photograph, U.S. address and information only visible to infrared light. Applicants must present a birth certificate to obtain it. The Mexican government has persuaded scores of banks, police departments and local governments to accept the matricula as proof of identification for its citizens."

What part of "you are not legally qualified to be here", escapes these people and the Mexican govenrment?  Our officials should invalidate the cards and boot the people who are here illegally.

4 posted on 07/21/2003 9:32:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
This article is dishonest in so many ways, that I could be up another two hours detailing the subterfuges the writer uses to grant his own blanket amnesty to illegal, er "undocumented" aliens.
5 posted on 07/21/2003 9:44:51 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: mrustow
I hear you. These appologist articles are a dime a dozen these days.
6 posted on 07/21/2003 9:51:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: new cruelty
Oh my, oh my, oh my! I don't know which article is more dishonest. As propaganda, each achieves a sort of perfect evil, in which any true words are merely incidental.
7 posted on 07/21/2003 9:52:29 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: DoughtyOne
I guess. I'm just starting to study up on illegal immigration, and it looks like I'm in for a lot of bad reading.
8 posted on 07/21/2003 9:53:44 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: new cruelty
We should require use of the card for people without a valid US Id.

And also require reporting of the card, name, and address to the INS by every bank and check-cashing service accepting it.

9 posted on 07/21/2003 9:53:50 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: mrustow
I don't know of a fully comprehensive work on the subject that touches all bases. I will suggest you visit the American Patrol site. I don't frequent it, but it does provide a lot of resources.
10 posted on 07/21/2003 9:57:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: mrustow
a right to an identity that most of us accept as fundamental
??? Amazing job of muddying the waters here, isn't this? But it all sounds so "good." Sigh, our citizens aren't being taught to reason at schools and this explanation will no doubt be the sound bite that makes them feel all soft and gooshy and indignant that these unfortunate people wouldn't have an identity, if not fot he matricula consular.
11 posted on 07/21/2003 9:58:55 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Libertina
And it is so subtle too. I already have an identity, my drivers license only proves it. I do not need a card to have an identity, but in the minds of these Orwellian goons, I do.

That being said, no one has the right of obtaining proof of identity in a jurisdiction where they are supposed to be, or use it to conduct personal affairs when they aren't legal to conduct them in the first place. The govt is only trying to prevent people from illegally accessing the benefits of our society, not preventing them from having an identity.
12 posted on 07/21/2003 10:19:59 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: Free Vulcan
...aren't supposed to be.
13 posted on 07/21/2003 10:20:49 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: Free Vulcan
We use words so imprecisely now... Of course you're right, having an identity isnt the same as having a valid/legal ID (card.) Except to liberals. Wonder when the 60's demonstrators got to liking government so much...
14 posted on 07/21/2003 10:36:09 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks for the tip. I bought Michelle Malkin's book, Invasion, last October, but only skimmed it. We're going on vacation Wednesday, and I'm packing it. This time, I'll finish it.
15 posted on 07/21/2003 10:43:50 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: mrustow
Glad to hear it. If you get a chance give me a book review (nothing expansive) when you get back.
16 posted on 07/21/2003 10:47:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Will do.
17 posted on 07/21/2003 10:49:09 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: mrustow
Michelle Malkin's pushing Pat Buchanan's ideas didn't get half the flack Ann Coulter is now recieving for suggesting Joe McCarthy may have been correct.
Regnery Press is the conservative salmon swimming against the Liberal current and deserve our support.
18 posted on 07/21/2003 11:05:10 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (An illegal told me I should move back to Europe where I belong. I let him live.)
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To: new cruelty
"But widespread acceptance of the matricula has infuriated conservative House lawmakers and national groups that advocate stricter immigration policies. They view acceptance of the card as a way of legitimizing the presence of 4 million to 5 million undocumented Mexican immigrants."

This is just another form of amnesty. I have to wonder just how "infuriated" lawmakers are when some reports say they are in favor of it, after some tweaking on their part of course.

19 posted on 07/21/2003 11:07:28 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
ping
20 posted on 07/22/2003 12:13:50 AM PDT by gubamyster
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