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To: CaptainK; Cicero
He sounds as bitter and paranoid as Susan. I smell a possible love match in the making.

Fred is as bitter and paranoid as Susan. He has a point, though: a lot of women really are ugly-natured, manipulative, hostile, and as they used to say of Lord Byron, "mad, bad, and dangerous to know." Any man foolish enough to marry such feminist harridans--well, I won't say a man deserves such a fate, but he should have seen it coming. If a woman is nasty and grasping before marriage, how much worse will she be afterwards?

Solution? Marry a sweet-tempered Christian woman, a person of emotional stability, strength, courage in the face of adversity, calm, reverence, and joy. Where do you find such a woman? Well, not in a bar, Joe. There are millions of such women out there and most likely you'll find them in church. What? You say you don't go to church? Maybe that's half the problem. Maybe that's why guys like Fred end up in divorce court, sometimes more than once.

But men who think they want nice, docile, self-effacing wives should think again. Not too many such women exist, even in other countries or in earlier times. And if they did exist, they'd get pretty boring after a while.

Scuse me, Mr. Cicero. I have very little in the way of temper, and most people find me pretty docile. No one finds me boring, though. It's possible for a lady to be gentle, docile, supportive, and cooperative and still know how to break a stallion, write a novel, drive a front-end loader, handle a chainsaw, shoot a rifle, or converse skilfully at a diplomatic reception.

11 posted on 07/20/2003 8:52:23 PM PDT by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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To: Capriole
>>Marry a sweet-tempered Christian woman, a person of emotional stability, strength, courage in the face of adversity, calm, reverence, and joy. <<

Sorry, guys. You can't have her. I already married her.
15 posted on 07/20/2003 9:21:58 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: Capriole
"Marry a sweet-tempered Christian woman, a person of emotional stability, strength, courage in the face of adversity, calm, reverence, and joy."

If it were only that simple.
17 posted on 07/20/2003 9:39:35 PM PDT by shekkian
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To: Capriole
Marry a sweet-tempered Christian woman, a person of emotional stability, strength, courage in the face of adversity, calm, reverence, and joy.

Of course, such women can also turn into psycho hose-beasts after you marry them. Trust me, I know...

To one extent or another, all people fail the "truth in advertising" test. If for no other reason than we do not remain the same person throughout our lives, but drift at an imperceptibly slow rate. If you are lucky, the other person drifts in the same direction as you such that you don't inadvertently trip their trigger and vice versa.

23 posted on 07/20/2003 10:36:33 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Capriole
Solution? Marry a sweet-tempered Christian woman, a person of emotional stability, strength, courage in the face of adversity, calm, reverence, and joy. Where do you find such a woman? Well, not in a bar, Joe. There are millions of such women out there and most likely you'll find them in church.

You know, I could almost believe this. But after ten years in the most evangelical, conservative, fundamentalist Christian church there is out here, I have found that there are a plethora of bitter, angry, venomous, hate-filled Christian women, all coiled and ready to blame their men for everything and as a kicker, ready, willing, and able to use the Bible as their means to that end and their personal weapon for payback.

It's happened over and over through the years. I was a lay minister who provided marital counseling until I just couldn't do it anymore. I simply could not referee at anymore shriek sessions that featured women who went into marriage with the idea that their husband would provide them with everything they wanted and cure everything that ailed them. And when that didn't work, out came the hissing alley cat, finger pointed in accusation, all the while trolling for the next prospect warming up in the bullpen.

Our pastor always ran a marriage and family series every couple of years or so. In the last eighteen months, we've run the same study four times. I asked one of the associate pastors what the criteria was for doing this series. He told me that when the battered spouse crisis calls (both sexes) and divorce counseling sessions reached a critical point, that triggered the study.

Four times in the last eighteen months. Church is no place to look for Ms. Right. She's as screwed up, resentful, controlling and filled with hate as any radical feminist you will ever meet in a single's bar.

There are days when I honestly believe there is no hope for this world.

24 posted on 07/20/2003 10:52:06 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: Capriole
"Where do you find such a woman? Well, not in a bar, Joe. There are millions of such women out there and most likely you'll find them in church. What? You say you don't go to church? Maybe that's half the problem. Maybe that's why guys like Fred end up in divorce court, sometimes more than once."Youre right of course. I found my 36 yr old in church...on a singles christian site of my own denomination, and she is all of those things you described and more. But there is a catch..although she is as virtuous as they come (and slender), she is not the most attractive woman in the world, but her spirit more than makes up for it. I have a sister who has been through 2 divorces (one more on the way) and she and I are like night and day...she almost never goes to church (even though she professes faith and was baptized). She likes to go to bars and "hangout" with her alcoholic yuppie girlfriends..and she wonders where her 28 years went.
35 posted on 07/21/2003 4:49:18 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: Capriole
Solution? Marry a sweet-tempered Christian woman, a person of emotional stability, strength, courage in the face of adversity, calm, reverence, and joy. Where do you find such a woman? Well, not in a bar, Joe.

Riiiiiiiiight..... I married one of those. Within 3 years of marriage, she was hanging out with bad friends, smoking dope, playing with tarot cards and New Age crap and wouldn't even consider returning to church.

Stop selling this nonsense.

61 posted on 07/21/2003 8:25:53 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Capriole
"Solution? Marry a sweet-tempered Christian woman, a person of emotional stability, strength, courage in the face of adversity, calm, reverence, and joy. Where do you find such a woman? Well, not in a bar, Joe. There are millions of such women out there and most likely you'll find them in church."

Uhmmmm, hasn't been my experience. It makes a lovely dream, finding one of like precious faith and all, but, like others have posted, women who are regular church attenders are predominantly those who have been wounded and crippled spiritually and are really not any better equipped emotionally to be a loving spouse than any other woman from the general population.

No woman can hurt a man like a nominal (small "c") christian can. They get trained on how to use very personal weaponry on the most vulnerable spots of a guy's soul.

85 posted on 07/21/2003 10:22:09 PM PDT by nightdriver
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