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Finally, It's Official: the Recession Ended 20 Months Ago
New York Times Online ^ | 7-17-03 | Daniel Altman

Posted on 07/17/2003 5:18:41 PM PDT by The Electrician

The recession that began in March 2001 ended eight months later, the National Bureau of Economic Research, an independent research group that tracks the business cycle, reported today.

The announcement, which economists said was not a surprise, may be bittersweet for the millions of Americans without jobs. The previous recession, which lasted from July 1990 to March 1991 in the National Bureau's chronology, was followed by six straight months of job growth a year later. This time, 20 months after the recession's finale, the nation's payrolls are still shrinking.

The decision to date the recession's end in November 2001 was made by a committee of seven academic economists after a meeting in Cambridge, Mass. It was also in November 2001 that the same committee declared the recession to have begun eight months earlier. The announcements are typically made long after the business cycle turns up or down, to avoid mislabeling a short-term change in the economic trend as a definite high or low in the size of the economy.

"In retrospect, we could just as easily have made the call a few months ago," said Jeffrey A. Frankel, a professor at Harvard University who is a member of the committee.

The most recent recession was short and shallow relative to the nine others, averaging 11 months, that occurred since World War II. In its report, the committee cited real gross domestic product - the sum of the value of all goods and services generated by the economy, adjusted for changes in prices - as the primary indicator of a recovery.

Jobs have not followed growth, the committee wrote, because of increases in workers' productivity. In fact, Ms. Reaser said, the unemployment rate is unlikely to fall until the economy expands at an annual rate of 3.5 or 4 percent, a pace it has attained in only two quarters since the recovery supposedly began. With productivity growing at more than 2 percent a year, and the labor force growing by about 1 percent a year, she said, the "hurdle rate" of growth for increasing the share of Americans who work cannot be less than 3 percent.

In the past, recessions have often been followed by strong recoveries, as pent-up demand, especially for manufactured goods, helped to engender a sort of economic slingshot effect. But in an economy that derives two-thirds of its activity from the service sector, the usual boost has not been forthcoming.

In addition, said James E. Glassman, a senior United States economist at J. P. Morgan Chase, a string of shocks - the bursting of the stock market bubble, the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, corporate scandals, the war in Iraq and SARS - have essentially kept the economy stagnant for at least a year.

"It would take extraordinary bad luck - new shocks - to shift us back into recession," Mr. Glassman said. In the committee's announcement, he said, "the subtle message is: `Get over it. The direction has changed.' "

Professor Frankel insisted that the committee had not made any judgment about the likelihood of a new recession, though. "This has no bearing whatsoever on the current economic outlook, on the odds of a new downturn," he said.

Some economists are still skeptical of the economy's ability to grow at a strong clip. They believe that the economy's tepid performance of late stems not just from shocks but also from structural factors, including the huge debt burden carried by the nation's consumers and businesses. If the saving rate increases to shore up those debts, both groups will offer less support to the economy in the near term.

"I still think the private sector's desire to strengthen balance sheets and return to a more normal level of saving is a significant head wind for the economy," said Bill Martin, chief economist of UBS Global Asset Management. "It's not appreciated that in order for the economy to grow at a satisfactory rate, given current policies, it would be necessary for the still-low rate of saving to fall over time."

But Mr. Glassman argued that lower costs of debt service, a result of historically low interest rates, were a mitigating and more important consideration.

Though he agreed with Ms. Reaser that the National Bureau's report might give confidence in the economy a small boost, he also said the disjoint between employment and growth could narrow the report's relevance in the public consciousness.

"Most politicians don't actually care about the definitions," he said. "They care about what people think. In a sense, this isn't going to convince anybody or give them much comfort."


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Let me be the first to speculate that Tom Daschle will be deeply saddened by this news. So will the other Demo talking heads who've been screaming the mantra of the "worst economy in the past fifty years". Oh, but this news won't stop them for a moment - in fact you will even hear on FR that the numbers do not reflect the reality that people are feeling "on the ground". While there is some truth to that, because it doesn't feel like the economy is doing well if you're working at a small fraction of your former income (or not working at all) - I have confidence in the economy these days - enough confidence to be launching a new small business (which I hope to make into a big business)... And I'm not the only one with such plans...

Also see this earlier thread based on an AP report.

1 posted on 07/17/2003 5:18:42 PM PDT by The Electrician
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Hi Mom!
2 posted on 07/17/2003 5:21:04 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: The Electrician
The recession is still going on over here, no jobs for americans.
3 posted on 07/17/2003 5:28:04 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: The Electrician
I've been around long enough to remember the "malaise" of the 1970s and the recessions of the early 1980s and the early 1990s. Frankly, this recent economic "downturn" has been a breeze by comparison.

Sure, a bunch of useless dot.coms and criminal telecommunications firms bit the dust and many thousands of people lost their jobs, but the economy overall has been sound. Traffic is still heavy at rush hour, good restaurants still have a 1-2 hour waiting time and shopping malls are usually packed to capacity. My work (I deal in office equipment like high-speed printers and copiers) never slowed down and you still have to see a scalper if you want to see a good concert or a big sporting event.

I don't know, maybe I'm delirious. But I never noticed the recession in the first place. Now watch, I go into work tomorrow and get my pink slip.

4 posted on 07/17/2003 5:30:20 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp! 245 (-55))
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To: The Electrician
Here's some excerpts from the Reuters article on this:

U.S. GDP has been growing slowly since late 2001, and it now stands 3.3 percent above its pre-recession peak in the fourth quarter of 2000.

Hall said the panel had waited until it could be confident any potential future drop in activity would be a separate recession before placing its historical marker.

"The fact that the broadest, most comprehensive measure of economic activity is well above its pre-recession levels implied that any subsequent downturn in the economy would be a separate recession," the panel said in its statement.

"We don't know and we don't take a stand on what is ahead, but we do say that this one belongs in the record book," Hall said.

Panel members were also aware that 2004 is an election year and they had no desire to draw the type of criticism they did in 1992 when they called an end to the 1990-91 recession in December, one month after an election in which Republican President George Bush lost to Democrat Bill Clinton.

"This is not the first time that there has been some political sensitivity," Hall said. "We try very, very hard to try to essentially ignore politics."

6 posted on 07/17/2003 5:51:39 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: seamole
It's difficult to make a count on the employment stats. Many people that get layed off are now "contract" workers. New people come into the market. Most of our local copmanies downsized 7 or 8 years ago...as the market changed but continue "employing" temps.
7 posted on 07/17/2003 5:59:25 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: The Electrician
Anyone remember those two little words that Greenspan used and no one paid any attention to? "Irrational exuberance"

I can remember in the 90's how everyone had a job (employers were begging for more workers)and a lot of employees were content to slack off...they "knew" their jobs were secure. I remember telling my husband to "Just wait and see...this economy won't hold and some of these goof offs will be looking for jobs one of these days."
8 posted on 07/17/2003 6:01:01 PM PDT by Maria S
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I've had to watch as more than a few highly talented engineers with advanced degrees have been shown the door. To date, I can't think of one that I could characterize as a "goof off". Some found jobs, one is now an Air Force pilot, and some are still looking. The layoffs continue.

And the people continuing to go out are not "goof offs" or easily labeled with other trailer trash throw away lines.

9 posted on 07/17/2003 6:09:00 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: The Electrician
Recession Ended 20 Months Ago

Gee then why are all these people with out work?????
10 posted on 07/17/2003 6:12:05 PM PDT by zoen
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To: Regulator
"...trailer trash throw away lines..."

Great applause line! Kind of catchy!
11 posted on 07/17/2003 6:19:08 PM PDT by Maria S
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To: Tauzero; Starwind; AntiGuv; arete; David; Soren; Fractal Trader; Libertarianize the GOP; ...
FYI
12 posted on 07/17/2003 6:26:21 PM PDT by sourcery (The Evil Party thinks their opponents are stupid. The Stupid Party thinks their opponents are evil.)
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To: sourcery
Recession Ended 20 Months Ago

Obviously one more lagging indicator.

13 posted on 07/17/2003 6:30:16 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: SamAdams76
Traffic is still heavy at rush hour, good restaurants still have a 1-2 hour waiting time and shopping malls are usually packed to capacity.

Traffic is heavy with people going from thier job at Wendys to Home Depot to Wal-Mart. Refinancing and credit cards are the boom.
14 posted on 07/17/2003 6:34:29 PM PDT by cp124
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To: zoen
Gee then why are all these people with out work?????

Could it be that recession and unemployment are two different terms??????

15 posted on 07/17/2003 6:37:25 PM PDT by chudogg (I)
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To: Regulator
I've had to watch as more than a few highly talented engineers with advanced degrees have been shown the door.

What kind of "engineers" were these? The term "engineer" is used rather widely these days.
I've seen some "engineers" with advanced degrees who were really not much more than highly paid Web page designers or Java programmers. It should have been clear that those job descriptions were going to move down the pay scale.
Software experts whose talent is knowing just a few specific software products have a short career. Unless they're lucky enough to have picked one that has a long shelf life - and no one ever knows in advance.

16 posted on 07/17/2003 6:58:49 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: zoen
>>Gee then why are all these people with out work?????

It's my fault, I confess. I, and thousands of others keep building machines and factories and computers so we can do more work with fewer people. We need 3-4% growth in the economy to maintain a steady employment rate. That, and maybe outsourcing.
17 posted on 07/17/2003 7:06:12 PM PDT by MalcolmS (Do Not Remove This Tagline Under Penalty Of Law!)
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To: SamAdams76
I've been around long enough to remember the "malaise" of the 1970s and the recessions of the early 1980s and the early 1990s. Frankly, this recent economic "downturn" has been a breeze by comparison.

Exactly. These are great times compared to the 1970s.

And even during the 70s I got tired of hearing people whining and complaining about how bad things were.

19 posted on 07/17/2003 7:27:57 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: speekinout
What is your occupation?
20 posted on 07/17/2003 7:34:26 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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