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NY Post ^ | July 16, 2003 | BILL HOFFMANN

Posted on 07/17/2003 6:57:07 AM PDT by presidio9

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:15:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Skooz
It is the principal of the thing. I am trying to help Stu learn accept his mortal imperfection. We all make mistakes.
141 posted on 07/17/2003 1:25:16 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: Skooz
I get plenty of air thanks.
142 posted on 07/17/2003 1:25:50 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
Oh yeah. It's probably 120 degrees there right now.

Nevermind.

143 posted on 07/17/2003 1:27:45 PM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: discostu
He regained 1 stroke and is 5 off the lead. He didn't rally back, he's not in serious contention.

If you watched ANY golf, you would realize how wrong this asessment was. He lost 2 stokes on an amazing stoke of bad luck. He beat a similiar field two weeks ago by five strokes. Do the math. There are 18 players in front of him after one round. Do you think Hennie Otto is going to be the eventual champion? OF COURSE WOODS IS IN CONTENTION!

Come on. You can do it. Admit that you are wrong. It is not even because you are stupid. It is just because your understanding of professional golf is highly limited.

144 posted on 07/17/2003 1:30:40 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: Skooz
Actually it's right around 100 with rain in the air, downright cool for July. Tucson loves it when hurricanes hit Texas.
145 posted on 07/17/2003 1:33:22 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: presidio9
Do the math yourself, he's in a similar position to where Sorenstam was after one, you said she should go home immediately. I at least said he should finish the tournament.
146 posted on 07/17/2003 1:34:57 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
Yep, equate Sornestam with Woods. Her position after one round is an indication of how Woods is playing. GOD ARE YOR REACHING!

And she was in something like 70th place anyway.
147 posted on 07/17/2003 1:36:34 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: presidio9
Hey numbers is numbers. Plus 2 and off the lead by 5 isn't good, without a serious reversal of fortune he's out of contention. And going -1 on the last 17 after triple bogeying the first can't really be described as battling back, with 17 holes to work with battling back would have been getting back to even, he didn't let it turn into a death slide that's about the best thing that can be said about the first round. Now he IS Tiger Woods and might be able to pull it off, but since that 81 last year he hasn't been and so far I see no reason to think he'll be breaking the pattern of the last year this weekend.
148 posted on 07/17/2003 1:42:16 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
Right. In other words, you don't watch golf, and you know nothing about it, but you feel free to make outrageous pronouncements based on the unimformed opinions of other. Maybe that's why we can't get along.

They guy beat the best the PGA has to offer by FIVE STROKES ten days ago. He is not in a slump. Get it into your tiny brain.
149 posted on 07/17/2003 1:45:23 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: discostu
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/abcsports/britishopen2003/columnist?id=1580912

Still time for Tiger to put a major mark on 2003 season
By Bob Harig
Special to ESPN.com
SANDWICH, England -- Tiger Woods is on his way to becoming the best golfer of all time, and in the process he props the PGA Tour up on his shoulders, doubles television ratings and is the world's most recognizable athlete.

Weekend showdown on tap?
Tiger Woods and Ernie Els have everything it takes to form a major rivalry except for one critical piece -- a Sunday showdown at a major championship.

Royal St. George's might be the perfect place to start.

Woods, without a major trophy for the first time in four years, shot down any suggestions he was in a slump two weeks ago by going wire-to-wire for a five-stroke victory in the Western Open, his fourth win of the season.

Els responded by leading from start to finish to win by five strokes at the Scottish Open last week at Loch Lomond, his fifth victory of the year.

They arrived at the British Open on top of their games, a collision long overdue.

Might this finally be the week?

''Yeah, I think so,'' Els said Tuesday. ''Tiger is playing really well. And I think from all the press he's getting -- not winning a major in a year, which I think is ridiculous -- I think he's going to try to prove something and have a good week.

Woods, as usual, won't be baited into a rivalry -- not even with Els, a close friend.

''There are more than just the two of us playing the event,'' he said. ''If you were playing a match-play event, just he and I, one-on-one, that's a different story.''
-- The Associated Press

During some portion of the journey, he made many forget what is ordinary.

It certainly is not normal to win four tournaments a year for five straight years; nor is it normal to have more PGA Tour victories (38) than candles on the birthday cake (27). And, of course, how normal is it to have eight major championships, when one or two puts a player in the upper echelon?

But Tiger Woods is not allowed to be unremarkable.

He is a victim of his own greatness, assailed when his accomplishments fall short of feats hailed as the best the game has seen. And there's something wrong?


Woods quieted the silly slump talk when he won the Western Open on July 6, his fourth victory of the year on the PGA Tour.

But there are those who are still alarmed by the fact that Woods has not been a Sunday contender in three of the past four major championships and that he heads into this week's British Open at Royal St. George's without a Grand Slam trophy in his arsenal for the first time since 1999.

Something must be amiss.

When Woods wins all the time, the complaints rain down: he has no competition, everyone else is soft. When he goes four major championships without winning one -- even though he has still claimed six of the last 13 -- there is all kind of conjecture about what is wrong with him.

No doubt, Woods has spoiled golf fans. With eight major championships in 6½ years of Grand Slam events, he has made it look easy. Of course, it is not. There are plenty of well-regarded players who went their entire career without winning one. Great players might capture just one or two. Think of Greg Norman, who has just his two British Open titles. Then there's Phil Mickelson, yet to win a major in 40 tries as a pro.


But before his victory at the Western, Woods had finished at least nine strokes out of the lead in four of his previous five tournaments, dating to his third victory of the year at the Bay Hill Invitational in March. A stunning statement, really: Woods now has four wins in 10 starts, and there's a problem?

The longest he has ever gone without winning a major was 10 events, from the 1997 Masters to the '99 PGA Championship. Some perspective: Jack Nicklaus went 12 majors without a victory, from the 1967 U.S. Open to the 1970 British Open. He managed to do OK, winning a total of 18.


Tiger Woods is in the spotlight no matter where he goes, which may explain why so much has been made of his recent funk.

In fact, Nicklaus never won more than two majors in any season, never won more than two in a row. From 1962 to 1980, Nicklaus had seven seasons (1965, '68, '69, '74, '76, '77, '79) where he failed to win a single major. He also had stretches of 10, six, five and four majors without winning one.

So did Arnold Palmer, who won a total of seven. In 1962, Palmer won eight times, including The Masters, British Open and Colonial. He was also runner-up that year to Nicklaus at the U.S. Open. The following year, Palmer found himself in the midst of a "slump'' -- even though he won seven times. That's because he failed to win a major championship.

When Palmer started the 1964 season with a victory at The Masters, all was right again.

Tiger's so-called problems started a year ago at Muirfield in Scotland, where he woke up on a rainy Saturday morning trailing by two strokes. A long, windy winter-type day later, Woods had shot 81 and was blown out of contention. Did that have any lingering effect?

"I shot 65 the next day,'' Woods said Tuesday, laughing. "That was a tough day for everybody and I wasn't the only one who shot a high number. As I said that day, I didn't hit the ball that well, and the weather just compounded the problem. And I really never got anything going and could never turn momentum into my favor.''

A month later, Woods finished a shot behind Rich Beem at the PGA Championship -- his only runner-up finish in a major, before disappointing performances at this year's Masters (15th) and U.S. Open (20th).

If Woods' form has been a bit off, there are reasons. Remember, he did miss a chunk of season due to knee surgery, and doctors have warned him to be careful. He admits to not practicing as long and hard as usual, although Tuesday Woods reported no problems. "I feel pretty good,'' he said.

And if there is a problem, it's simply been on the greens. Woods putted beautifully at the Western but didn't see as many drop at The Masters and U.S. Open. Isn't that golf? Flawless one day, frustrated the next. It happens to Woods, too.

Two majors still remain, however, which means there is plenty of time to make Woods' world right.

"If you can win one major, you've had a great year,'' he said. "That's always been my goal.''

Think anyone will be surprised if it happens?
150 posted on 07/17/2003 1:47:52 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: presidio9
The guy hasn't even been in contention for 4 majors in a row and is starting off badly in #5 and has openly complained about his driving.

He's in a slump.
151 posted on 07/17/2003 1:51:18 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: presidio9
thanks for posting a huge article that says the exact same thing I've been saying all day:
Tiger Woods is in a slump.
152 posted on 07/17/2003 1:52:33 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
Woods,thanks for posting a huge article that says the exact same thing I've been saying all day: Tiger Woods is in a slump.

I know you get a headache if you try to read too much, but maybe you should try actually reading an article before summarizing it. Just like maybe you should actually watch some golf before giving analysis. Here, I parced out a few relevant quotes from the article for you:

without a major trophy for the first time in four years, shot down any suggestions he was in a slump two weeks ago by going wire-to-wire for a five-stroke victory in the Western Open, his fourth win of the season.

Tiger's so-called problems started a year ago at Muirfield in Scotland, where he woke up on a rainy Saturday morning trailing by two strokes. A long, windy winter-type day later, Woods had shot 81 and was blown out of contention. Did that have any lingering effect?

"I shot 65 the next day,'' Woods said Tuesday, laughing. "That was a tough day for everybody and I wasn't the only one who shot a high number. As I said that day, I didn't hit the ball that well, and the weather just compounded the problem. And I really never got anything going and could never turn momentum into my favor.''

A month later, Woods finished a shot behind Rich Beem at the PGA Championship

Two majors still remain, however, which means there is plenty of time to make Woods' world right.

"If you can win one major, you've had a great year,'' he said. "That's always been my goal.''

Think anyone will be surprised if it happens?

Someday you will learn what it feels like to approach an issue from an informed position. In this case, as usual, you are ignorant, and 100% wrong.

153 posted on 07/17/2003 2:07:19 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: discostu
BWAH-HAH-HAAAAH!


He was the runner up at last year's PGA Championship Einstein.
154 posted on 07/17/2003 2:09:49 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: presidio9
Here's some quotes for you:
Woods, without a major trophy for the first time in four years,
But Tiger Woods is not allowed to be unremarkable
Something must be amiss
Woods had finished at least nine strokes out of the lead in four of his previous five tournaments,
Tiger Woods is in the spotlight no matter where he goes, which may explain why so much has been made of his recent funk.
If Woods' form has been a bit off, there are reasons. Remember, he did miss a chunk of season due to knee surgery, and doctors have warned him to be careful.
And if there is a problem, it's simply been on the greens.

Like I said before, when you set the bar to 11 10 is a slump. Probably no other golfer in history could call the performance Tiger's had in the last year a slump. But Tiger isn't just any other golfer in history, he's easily argued as the best ever, and when the best ever starts playing like he's just really good that's a slump. Just like when the star powered 49ers fresh off a pile of Superbowl rings got bounced in the first round, there were 16 other teams that didn't even make the playoffs but counted their year as good, there were a couple that got knocked out in the first round and were happy, but for the 49ers it was a disaster of a season, they'd set the bar higher and failed to achieve. That's called a slump, doesn't matter where the bar is, when you can't hit it you're slumping.
155 posted on 07/17/2003 2:22:42 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
I think the author's stance is pretty straight forward (and in direct contrast to your own), but fine. Call it what you will. It matters not, it is a samantical argument, and it is is beside the point. What does matter is the conclusion that Woods ought to hang 'em up for the season a bad first hole today is still idiotic. The guy is playing very well going into this tournament, and he played very well after the first hole today. Your asinine pronuouncement was typical of idiotic penchant for opining on matters where you have not the slightest bit of understanding.
156 posted on 07/17/2003 2:28:27 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: presidio9
Actually I think the author's stance is identical to mine except that he think winning a second rate tournament on an easy course marks the end of a slump. Other than that we're 100% in line.
157 posted on 07/17/2003 2:32:49 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
Then you need to read the conclusion again:

Think anyone will be surprised if it happens?

Answer: Discostu.

158 posted on 07/17/2003 2:35:10 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: presidio9
Be suprised by Tiger winning? Not in years. That's part of his problem, winning is such a habit for him it's downright shocking when he doesn't.

Like I said, it's a Tiger only slump. Any other golfer in the world would gladly sacrifice his first born for this performance. But for Tiger this is a sub-par streak, and this kind of stuff gets in a players head, that's why I prescribe the three B's (beach, babe, booze) anybody that can have ANYTHING in their head after a month of the three B's was doing it wrong. Get a clean slate and start over from fresh, it's good for the soul.
159 posted on 07/17/2003 2:41:08 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: discostu
LOL!!! Start making some sense boy! He can't win one of the two remaining Majors if he takes the rest of the year off to bang his girlfriend. Man are you thickheaded!
160 posted on 07/17/2003 2:44:25 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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