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American jobs must not be lost, says Kissinger
TIMES NEWS NETWORK ^
| JULY 16, 2003
| KALPANA SHAH
Posted on 07/16/2003 10:42:49 AM PDT by IonInsights
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To: Jim Cane
So then the problem is we like to live better, which costs more, and we then think we are entitled to that and we then think it's ok to take away fundamental freedoms so we can keep up our preferred lifestyle. And then anyone who is more competitive than us should be somehow thwarted.
Sounds reasonable.
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posted on
07/16/2003 12:36:04 PM PDT
by
Protagoras
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: A. Pole
Thanks for the bump!
To: snopercod
Early in the last century, the English working class were starting to grumble about their condition
And throw into there that the modern skinhead movement started in those same working classes as they saw their jobs going to people just off the boat, uncouraged to travel there by government incentives and the lack of jobs in their country.
Our globalist masters learned from that bad experience and realized that to avoid future riots you should place some distance between the low wage earners and those whose jobs they've replaced. Its pretty hard to have a riot (LA Laker fans not withstanding) when you don't have someone in your immediate vicinity to beat up. So plants are setup 5k miles away and IT work is outsourced. Its not like pasty white computer geeks are going to start taking up guns any time soon (although Eric Raymond's Geeks for Guns is interesting).
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posted on
07/16/2003 12:40:11 PM PDT
by
lelio
To: Noumenon
I could have written that letter, having been out of work for ten months.
I'm 56, BSEE, built nuclear plants, built space launch platforms, launched space shuttles from the front row, can design AND build just about anything in any field, but find myself out of tune with post-industrial America. Nobody is hiring people like you and me who actually know how to do things.
I predict that Bush will be a one-term President if he doesn't wake up pretty soon.
To: lelio
I'm not thinking this is going to make it into their next newsletter though. I've got this feeling that I'm not exactly alone in terms my circumstances and outlook.
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posted on
07/16/2003 12:46:03 PM PDT
by
Noumenon
(Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away. -- Philip K. Dick)
To: snopercod
I predict that Bush will be a one-term President if he doesn't wake up pretty soon. Roger that.
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posted on
07/16/2003 12:48:28 PM PDT
by
Noumenon
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07/16/2003 12:55:26 PM PDT
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To: Protagoras
So then the problem is we like to live better, which costs more, and we then think we are entitled to that and we then think it's ok to take away fundamental freedoms so we can keep up our preferred lifestyle. And then anyone who is more competitive than us should be somehow thwarted. You mean the way American products are thwarted from being sold overseas by other nations high import duties?
Exactly what fundamental freedoms are you talking about?
Freedeom From Tariffs? The Constitution says otherwise.
Freedom to take money from me and my business and hand it over to my competitor? That's not in the Constitution.
What fundamental freedom did you lose by Reagans bike tariff?
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posted on
07/16/2003 12:55:27 PM PDT
by
Jim Cane
To: Jim Cane
You mean the way American products are thwarted from being sold overseas by other nations high import duties?I thought we were talking about free trade. I don't condone protectionism. By anyone.
Exactly what fundamental freedoms are you talking about?
I was talking about the fundamental right of human beings to conduct their own affairs and make their own arrangements. It is no ones legitimate business what I buy from whom and at what price.
Freedeom From Tariffs? The Constitution says otherwise.
You debating yourself? I never made any assertion remotely like that.
Freedom to take money from me and my business and hand it over to my competitor? That's not in the Constitution.
Huh? Bizarre comment. Unrelated to anything I have said.
What fundamental freedom did you lose by Reagans bike tariff?
The one I just mentioned.
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posted on
07/16/2003 1:02:26 PM PDT
by
Protagoras
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: tkathy
We need huge tax incentives for American jobs, and huge tax penalties for outsourcing. Founding Fathers used these - the tariffs.
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posted on
07/16/2003 1:08:03 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: IonInsights
Maybe Kissinger could reconcile this with the Redcomm trade deficit. Oh, that's durable goods labor jobs...
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posted on
07/16/2003 1:09:49 PM PDT
by
ApesForEvolution
("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
To: Noumenon
Noumenon (Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesnt go away. -- Philip K. Dick) I agree with your post, but not with your quote. There are things in life, very valuable, which are not tangible and which will go away when you stop believing in them. Descartes was wrong.
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posted on
07/16/2003 1:13:45 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: Protagoras
Yes, until now American workers had/have a better standard of living.
And it's more expensive to have that standard? Yes. For example fixing your teeth is expensive. For a family to have more than one room is also expensive. Taking bath everyday is expensive. Driving a car instead of a crowded bus or bicycle is expensive.
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posted on
07/16/2003 1:16:39 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: StolarStorm
If we keep writing to our congresscritters about it, they may start voting the right way.
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posted on
07/16/2003 1:18:06 PM PDT
by
GraniteStateConservative
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
I dont look at this from an economic point of view but the political and social points of view. The question really is whether America can remain a great power or a dominant power if it becomes a primarily service economy, and I doubt that. A country has to have an industrial base in order to play a significant role in the world. And I am concerned from that point of view." - Dr. Henry Kissinger This is almost unbelievable. The idea of Henry Kissinger supporting nationalistic trade policy so undercuts the free-traders that the political debate may be over. Just like his sending Nixon to China instantly ended the debate about keeping Taiwan on the U.N. Security Council. Kissinger was the only one who could get us into China, he may now be the one who can get us out.
To: A. Pole
We could house 10 to a 1 bedroom home I guess. Then we could compete with Indian labor wage-wise.
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posted on
07/16/2003 1:20:11 PM PDT
by
GraniteStateConservative
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: GraniteStateConservative
Our elite masters want this all to happen. Welcome to the new world order.
To: Protagoras
I thought we were talking about free trade. I don't condone protectionism. By anyone.
Main Entry: free trade
Function: noun
Date: 1823
: trade based on the unrestricted international exchange of goods with tariffs used only as a source of revenue
I'm talking about free trade. You?
I was talking about the fundamental right of human beings to conduct their own affairs and make their own arrangements. It is no ones legitimate business what I buy from whom and at what price.
I'm glad you see the WOD as anti liberty. Still, the Constitution usurps your emanating, penumbral right to purchase imported goods sans tariff. Sorry.
Freedeom From Tariffs? The Constitution says otherwise.
You debating yourself? I never made any assertion remotely like that.
But that's what I'm advocating as a means of maintaining, higher standards of living. Not as an entitlement, but as a self protective function of our government. Tariffs. So, to clarify, we don't have a right to a high standard of living, but we do have a right to demand that our government put in place Constitutionally enumerated tariffs in our own interest, or else suffer the wrath in '04.
Freedom to take money from me and my business and hand it over to my competitor? That's not in the Constitution.
Huh? Bizarre comment. Unrelated to anything I have said.
Not as bizarre as you saying: "I was talking about the fundamental right of human beings to conduct their own affairs and make their own arrangements. It is no ones legitimate business what I buy from whom and at what price." Which, if it includes imported goods, is not a right you have under our Constitutional Republic. And in light of the IRS, BATF and DEA, it's not a right you have at all.
What fundamental freedom did you lose by Reagans bike tariff?
The one I just mentioned.
You don't have that emanating penumbral Constitutional right to buy Jap bikes sold on the cheap.
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posted on
07/16/2003 1:31:52 PM PDT
by
Jim Cane
To: IonInsights
If outsourcing would continue to the point of stripping the United States of its industrial base, and of the act of getting out its own technology, then it requires really careful thought of national policy and probably create incentives to prevent it from happening. I think I'm gonna cry. Why is this not what every American politician holds true? Fair Trade, NOT Free Trade.
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posted on
07/16/2003 1:32:58 PM PDT
by
searchandrecovery
(America will not exist in 25 years.)
To: Noumenon
The out-of-work and underemployed are looking for someone to blame. Whether he deserves it or not, Bush will be the one.
P.S. Glad you're still around the forum. Good luck on finding a job. I'm starting to find that "guerilla employment" may be the way to go.
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