Exactly what is the gay 'agenda' and 'lifestyle'?

Amarillo Globe News ^ | July 15, 2003 | Greg Sagan

[gcruse]

I'm with David Horsley. If there is such a thing as a "gay agenda" I must be one of its supporters by default. I've never been "recruited" for this cause; never received any political material describing the agenda, the forces opposed to it, or how it will prevail in the law and the institutions of America; and I've never attended any meetings suggesting my heterosexual predilection is a target for gay subversion. But there are people out there with whom I disagree who tell me that gays of both genders are promoting this "agenda," and the demand that gays be given equal treatment under the law is apparently the first step on a path that will soon have me dating Bruce Willis.

I am not persuaded.

There's a lot of nonsense surrounding the phenomenon of homosexuality.

There's the idea that homosexuals "recruit" heterosexuals. This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation. If you don't believe that, try changing your own. If you can't do it to yourself, what chance does anyone else have to do it to you? My sexual orientation is not up for grabs, and I defy anyone to sweet-talk me into sleeping with men.

There's the idea that gays corrupt the young. Some may, but as science repeatedly points out, most episodes of sexual abuse involving adults and children are perpetrated by heterosexuals. I suspect someday we will see a movement to outlaw heterosexuality because of all the perversions it spawns, but for now I would rather rest my weight on the idea that acts of sexual perversion are separate and distinct from sexual orientation. That way we can sweep up offenders of both persuasions.

And there's the idea that gays "choose" the "gay lifestyle" - whatever that is. As I've pointed out before on this page, if anyone can "choose" to be gay, so can you. And if you can choose to be gay, your right of choice should be protected as long as you meet the new criteria - consenting adults, privacy of the bedroom.

But the only element of "lifestyle" common to all gays is that they prefer sex with people of their own gender. Beyond that you can find gays who are committed and gays who sleep around, just like us. You can find gays who drink wine and gays who drink beer, just like us. You can find gays who are Republicans and gays who are Democrats, just like us.

The only "agenda" gays hold that I'm aware of is to correct mistreatment under the law, and since the gays doing this are American citizens who work, pay taxes and vote, there is no reason to deny them this much of what they want. Gays should be able to form lifelong committed relationships, participate as full partners in medical decisions of their mates, pass on property to survivors as easily as the rest of us can.

And, yes, they should be able to raise children as a family unit.

This is the idea that troubles some people to distraction - what about the children? Won't kids who grow up in a homosexual-parent family turn out gay? Well, do all children who grow up in heterosexual-parent families turn out straight? Of course not. I had three children by my first wife. Two are heterosexual, one is gay. So that argument doesn't hold water.

What is important to children in any family is the quality of the relationship between the parents and between parents and children. Two heterosexual parents can make the lives of their children a living hell. Two homosexual parents can make the lives of their children an example of trust, commitment, integrity, and love.

We all ought to seek and savor the second kind of relationship, not reject one of them out of hand because we don't like the pairing.

But giving gays some minimal protection under the law is an essential first step to understanding their relationships, because nothing distorts research like criminalizing the behavior to be studied.

Besides, when gays are denied fundamental protection under the law, we are stating to the whole world that justice in America depends on your choice of sleeping partners. This is an insupportable premise for public policy.

For those who are rabidly opposed to homosexuality, I say by all means stay heterosexual. Just don't expect to see your zeal elevated to legal prohibition. Gays can be good Americans, too, and discriminating against good Americans with the law has yet to prove itself a viable long-term strategy.

[gcruse]

What sort of a college decree do I have to have to understand any of that? LOL

[First Amendment]

Trace never debated about the facts anyway. Just sloganeering and lying.

[I got the rope]

Well...I bet it's not a B.S. in Gay/Lesbian Studies. LOL.

[First Amendment]

I have a GED and I understood it... maybe you need some remedial reading classes.... Of course, this would explain your ignorance of the dangers associated with homosexual sex and its promotion.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Wow!

That could be three original thoughts this year!

You're a politician, aren't you?

[Imagine]

I missed it, what was he banned for -- anything specific?

[missyme]

Does freedom transend into Stupidity?

Children have to much freedom and that is why there out of control and parents can no longer control there 10 year olds, so here we have a generation of kids winding up in the Juvenile System. I believe Homosexuals are women and men and they have rights as law abiding human beings but if they want there behaviour condoned that is another story. Should we condone over-eating cause that causes Obesity,heavy drinking that can lead to a hosts of problems like Alcoholism? well Homosexual acts are also unhealthy causing disease especially in men. Everyone has freedom to vote, dress the they want to worship who they please. Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is just people's version of happiness can be somewhat warped.

[laweeks]

www.qrd.org/qrd/religion/anti/FRC/project.10-family.research.council.letter

The above website discusses one of the MANY studies that find the same phenomena regarding the reckless and short lifestyles of practicing homosexuals. I didn't make this up. Facts are such stubborn things.

[Imagine]

No, I'm not a politician. I do have way more than three original thoughts per year, though.

[TradicalRC]

Your pro-choice when it comes to a gay agenda but not pro-choice when it comes to a Christian agenda.

To say if you don't want to be gay, then by all means stay heterosexual is disingenuous. One could say if you don't want to be a child molester then by all means sleep with adults. Do you see the problem with that argument?

In spite of your Randian tagline, the fact is, no one is an island. What we do DOES affect other people. Those of us who recognize the importance of culture and society, would prefer to live in a Christian rather than a degenerate society. I have children to raise and I would prefer if sexuality were NOT a matter of public discourse. The line about the privacy of the bedroom is the most Hypocritical: when you suggest they KEEP it in the bedroom(rather than on parade or in schools) the gay and lesbian crowd accuse you of trying to put them back in the closet. Their concern is for public approval, not private pleasure.

I am unaware of any laws that prevent them from housing or employment or anything else that usurps their right to property. They are looking for special rights, in order to be a protected class. Persons holding to a biblical faith are in process of being made second class citizens in this country.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

I don't know if Trace's ban was related to this thread or not because when I checked the sodomite's history, he was already banned. Trace is a wolf in sheep's clothing. One of the gay pride robot's disguising himself as a conservative and pushing his queer agenda on FR. I'm guessing the moderators finally recognized him for the DU bathhouse troll that he is.

[Walkin Man]

Being "gay" is a choice. Being a pedophile is a choice too. If a gay can't change his/her sexual preference, a child molester can't either, and they are waiting their turn, right behind the gay lobby to have their sick perversion declared good and legal. I'm sure those "wise" judges on the SCOTUS will back them up as well!

[breakem]

I would like to place a wager with you that neither the supreme court, the congress or any state will make child molestation legal in our lifetime. If you freepmail me, I'll place a wager.

[weegee]

There's the idea that gays corrupt the young. Some may, but as science repeatedly points out, most episodes of sexual abuse involving adults and children are perpetrated by heterosexuals.

The stats that should be cited regarding this is how many people who were molested by a homosexual as a child continued with homosexual relationships as (s)he grew up. Also, how many who were molested by an older heterosexual sought out homosexual relationships as (s)he grew older. How many homosexuals' first pairings were to an older partner (whether they believe it was molestation/seduction or not)?

[weegee]

Do women in porn have sex with women because they are "attracted" to them? Do these same women have sex with some fat men in porn because they are attracted to them?

They do it because they are paid to engage in sex.

Preference of sexual partner has nothing to do with being able to engage in a sexual act.

Some of these women choose to be "gay". It is a business decision.

[weegee]

Homosexuality is a fetish. Like bondage and S&M.

Don't forget crossdressing. It is odd that so many people afflicted with a "genetic disorder" would also be practitioners of so many other fetishes.

[GovernmentShrinker]

That website is maintained by a group with a pre-set anti-gay agenda, and naturally posts only information which supports its agenda. It is no more a reliable source of information than a website run by a radical gay activist group.

[GovernmentShrinker]

People love to say that "lots" of heterosexuals also practice the same sick stuff, but I have yet to see a reasonable study that says so.

I suspect that is because you frequent sources which tell you what you want to hear. And because you don't frequent the heterosexual "red light" districts which exist in most cities of any size. There you can find stores stocked with a huge array of absolutely disgusting heterosexual pornography, streets stocked with female prostitutes (many just adolescents) eager to help men act out what they saw in the porn, peep shows advertising "private viewing rooms", motels that rent rooms by the hour, sex toy stores, etc. And the same cities nearly all have similar -- but much smaller -- districts catering to promiscuous, thrill-seeking gay sex.

[Coleus]

Let's face it there are consequences. Homosexuality is the main cause and vector in aquiring HIV which turns into AIDS and ARC. This is a big burden for the taxpayers, they go on SSI and must take thousands of dollars worth of drugs per month, they need constant medical care where they come down with many infectious diseases and affordable housing with visiting nursing services and ultimately hospital and hospice care.

All the while they are still sodomizing each other, in the privacy of their own homes, while continuing to spread that virus and a host of other diseases. There are over 30 million hetero and homo adults with genital warts/herpes alone.

And whether we like it or not--We ARE a christian nation where our govt. and laws are based on Christian principals. Where we have a 10th Amendment which gives these Christian states the right to make laws against the sins against God.

Yes, I think the taxpayer/citizen has a say as to what goes on in a bedroom. Look at what happened in CA where this guy Westerfield killed that little girl. How did it all start? With her parents swinging in the bedroom!! In the privacy of their own home as consenting adults. There are consequnces to certain actions in "the bedroom". AIDS is one of them.

[weegee]

Looks like the thread to this article eventually got deleted (I even searched for it with Google).

Against His Will

It was about homosexual rape fantasies of raping heterosexuals. There is also a history of homosexual movies ("art" films, not porn) that center on a heterosexual being seduced to "awaken" his "true" homosexual nature.

The gay crowd seems to like such entertainment even though they deny being attracted to heterosexuals (which is why we aren't supposed to be worried in a locker room).