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Bill O'ReillyL: Vatican has gone quiet when we need it most
NY Daily News ^ | July 14th, 2003 | Bill O'Reilly

Posted on 07/14/2003 11:56:28 AM PDT by presidio9

It is almost impossible to know what really goes on behind the scenes at a place as secretive as the Vatican. Running the worldwide Catholic Church, with its more than 1 billion members, is obviously an enormous undertaking, and the important decisions are made by a few powerful clerics, headed, of course, by Pope John Paul. But the pontiff is 83 years old and not in good health. For Americans concerned about the declining image of the church in this country, the question of the Pope's competency is crucial. With that in mind, I recently traveled to Vatican City and sat in the third row at John Paul's weekly audience. I watched him closely for 90 minutes and can tell you that although he can no longer walk, he was mentally alert. His eyes were clear, and his voice retained some power. But it was apparent that the Pope's endurance is limited.

Few get to question the Pope, and I have just one query for him: Why have you not acted more aggressively in combating the priest-sexual abuse scandal in America, a country that provides about half your financing? Although the Pope is beyond my reach, I was able to put that question to a number of Vatican insiders and have come up with what I believe is a cogent answer.

Pope John Paul was furious when told that the scandals in the Boston Archdiocese had reached a flash point. According to someone in the room with him when he received the news that Bernard Cardinal Law was to be deposed, he slammed his hand on his desk and yelled at his assistants: "You told me this situation would be taken care of the right way!" The Pope was visibly angry and shortly afterward retreated into prayer.

And that is what the Pope mostly does these days: pray. He delegates almost all other duties to a variety of underlings, none of whom has the power or insight to deal with a scandal as withering as this priest-sex abuse thing.

According to four sources who often deal with the Vatican, the bureaucracy at St. Peter's is so thick and entrenched that quick action on anything is impossible. With the person in charge, John Paul, spending most of his time on spiritual reflection, there is simply no one in the Vatican hierarchy in place to help the tottering American church.

This is tragic, because for two centuries the Catholic Church in the U.S. has been a powerful moral voice. It champions the poor, promotes respect for life and generally acts as counterweight to the secular philosophy that challenges judgments about personal behavior.

In America today, there is an increasing tolerance for all kinds of actions that the country once deemed immoral. For example, some people now consider heroin dealing to be a nonviolent crime. Partial-birth abortion is embraced by a variety of groups. Drug legalizers have hired lobbyists in Washington, as have homosexuals who want gay marriage sanctioned.

Nearly anything goes in a secular society, and a quick trip to Europe will prove that. In Amsterdam, you can see neighborhoods devoted to legalized prostitution and drug buying. You can watch drug addicts shoot up in the train station. Great for the kids, right?

The Catholic Church at one time could authoritatively speak out against that kind of degeneracy. The church believes that your body is to be respected, along with the bodies and souls of your neighbors. Anything that diminishes the human (or fetal) condition is questioned and sometimes condemned.

But that moral authority is now diminished. Thanks to a few corrupt Catholic clergy and a paralyzed leadership in Rome, a reasonable, collective voice that promotes humanistic conduct has been put on the defensive and, in certain quarters, is even dismissed as irrelevant.

I believe Pope John Paul is a good man - a person of dignity and compassion. But he has lost control of a situation that is causing societal damage far beyond the confines of the Catholic Church. We should all dearly hope that the Pope's prayers are answered. For the American Catholic Church right now, the only solution on the horizon is divine intervention.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; cinoalert; pope; vatican
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To: presidio9
.. as Pope, he must always advocate the search for peaceful solutions to the world's problems.

Why? His job is to promote salvation throught Jesus Christ, not create paradise on earth. Jesus said, "I didn't come to bring peace, but a sword."

21 posted on 07/14/2003 12:31:27 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: fooman
Never forget that Bill O'Reilly is one step above Jerry Springer on the journalistic scale. He got his start on "A Current Affair," and he is addressing this issue now, after the Vatican installed the very conservative Bishop O'Mallley in Boston, not because there are any new developments, or because it needs to be said now, but because it is a controversial subject and it will cause a few more people to watch his lame program tonight.
22 posted on 07/14/2003 12:33:34 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: aimhigh
He also said "all who draw the sword will die be the sword," but that's neither here nor there.

The Pope is a spiritual shepherd, not a statesman.

23 posted on 07/14/2003 12:36:46 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: presidio9
Catholics believe that there is such a thing as a just war - even an obligation to wage one in certain circumstances.

If there ever were a clear, unambiguous example of such a war, I would hope that the Holy Father would support it.

24 posted on 07/14/2003 12:41:34 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: presidio9
The Pope is a spiritual shepherd, not a statesman.

Then why did he basically state in a public fashion his opinions on the War in Iraq? And why did it sound so suspiciously Hollywood? Why didn't he speak out on the horrors of mass murder, and on the absurdity of totalitarian rule?

25 posted on 07/14/2003 12:52:31 PM PDT by mallardx
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To: presidio9
Don't forget that while the John Paul II may be personally appalled by Islamic terrorism, as Pope, he must always advocate the search for peaceful solutions to the world's problems.
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Where's Pope Urban II when ya' really need him?
26 posted on 07/14/2003 12:56:19 PM PDT by night reader
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To: mallardx
The Pope's statements on Iraq were distorted by the liberal press, for obvious purposes. There were one or two cardinals in Rome who made fools of themselves over Iraq, but the Pope's statements were measured and reasonable--and distorted by the media as they often are.

Do you really believe the NY Times and the Washington Post? Or maybe CNN and Newsweak?
27 posted on 07/14/2003 12:57:13 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: mallardx
Why didn't he speak out on the horrors of mass murder, and on the absurdity of totalitarian rule?

Perhaps he favors the praise of man more than the praise of God. John the Baptist favored the praise of God. Blessed are those who suffer for righteousness sake.

28 posted on 07/14/2003 12:58:01 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: mallardx
Selective recall on your part.
29 posted on 07/14/2003 12:58:18 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: newgeezer
I don't think O'Reilly thinks prayer is a waste of time. He probably thinks (as I do) that there are things in addition to prayer that only the Pope can do, such as really hammer the American bishops on the issue of homosexuals in the priesthood. If prayer alone were enough, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place, since no one doubts the Pope always earnestly prays for the good of the Church and the world.
30 posted on 07/14/2003 1:02:59 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Cicero
OK, I don't have the transcripts in front of me, so I will accept that I may have been misled. I just remember his statements REALLY chapping my hide over the Iraq War issue, and I hope I'm wrong if I induced that he was seriously anti-Bush and Pro-Hussein...
31 posted on 07/14/2003 1:03:28 PM PDT by mallardx
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FoxFan ping!

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32 posted on 07/14/2003 1:07:35 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: firebrand; Coleus
FYI
33 posted on 07/14/2003 1:08:16 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: aimhigh
Are you even a Catholic?
34 posted on 07/14/2003 1:13:19 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: presidio9
Unfortunately, you are right. Sometimes I feel like I am being loyal to fox because of CNN and the lamestream media.

Britt and Tony are the only two I look forward too. Maybe Neil. Shep, Hanity and Greta are ok.

Bill has turned into a real blowhard.
35 posted on 07/14/2003 1:17:25 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: presidio9
The Pope is a spiritual shepherd, not a statesman.>>>>>

The Pope is a head of state as well, Vatican City is its own sovereign soil with the pope as it's head of state. The UN also recognizes it as a seaparate country with the Pope being the head where they appoint an ambassador to the UN.
That is why, constitutionally, the president, as chief ambassador, usually greets the pope when he comes to America. He doesn't have to do it with any other religious leader since they are not a head of state.
36 posted on 07/14/2003 1:36:33 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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To: mallardx
There was an interesting thread about this topic a couple of months ago. If you want to see what the pope really said about the war, click here.
37 posted on 07/14/2003 1:41:59 PM PDT by ishmac
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To: Coleus
Riiiiight... But for the purposes of his views on world events, he's not a statesman. There are 450 citizens of the Holy See.
38 posted on 07/14/2003 1:42:28 PM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: Cicero
The Pope's statements on Iraq were distorted by the liberal press, for obvious purposes.

I thought I knew what media bias was until I became Catholic. I'm tempted to say that when journalists report something about the Pope, they're infallibly wrong. I never put credence in any of the Holy Father's alleged statements until I read them myself at zenit.com, vatican.va or some other reliable source.

39 posted on 07/14/2003 1:52:11 PM PDT by ishmac
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To: utahagen
I don't think O'Reilly thinks prayer is a waste of time. He probably thinks (as I do) that there are things in addition to prayer that only the Pope can do, such as really hammer the American bishops on the issue of homosexuals in the priesthood.

Then again, O'Reilly might prefer the velvet glove to the hammer, given his vacillation on the subject [quoted in the July 14 Federalist]:

"The only heat I take on the gay stuff is from very, very religious people. Ninety percent of Americans don't care what [homosexuals] do.... Ten percent are fanatics. They think they're going to hell, and they want you to go to hell.... There are millions of Americans who are never going to accept [homosexuals], primarily on religious grounds.... You're never going to convince the holy rollers that you're not an abomination, because they're going to quote the Old Testament." --Bill O'Reilly on "gay marriage" in an interview for the homosexual advocacy magazine, The Advocate [Federalist editors' comment:**Who said O'Reilly, who claims to be Catholic, can't dance on one foot -- his LEFT!]

40 posted on 07/14/2003 2:10:36 PM PDT by rhema
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