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Why we cheat - ( Women )
New York Post ^ | July 13, 2003 | Susan Edelman

Posted on 07/13/2003 11:34:31 AM PDT by UnklGene

WHY WE CHEAT

By SUSAN EDELMAN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FORBIDDEN PLEASURES: Some researchers believe changes in gender roles are prompting more married women to sleep around.

July 13, 2003 -- More women are cheating on their husbands - and doing it without remorse, sex researchers say. A stunning 90 percent of adulterous wives told one Manhattan researcher they suffered "no guilt," but rather felt "entitled" to the pleasure and excitement of their secret trysts, said Susan Shapiro Barash, a gender-studies professor and author.

"Women feel entitled because they're not getting what they need in the marriage. That's why women today have affairs," said Barash, who interviewed 120 wandering women for her recent book on female infidelity, "A Passion for More: Wives Reveal the Affairs that Make or Break their Marriages."

Based on her research, Barash contends that more than 60 percent of all married women will engage in at least one affair.

And many such women - despite socioeconomic differences - can empathize with someone like Kerry Kennedy Cuomo, Barash said.

In a breakup that rocked political and high-society circles, Kennedy Cuomo, 43, split two weeks ago from her husband of 13 years, Andrew Cuomo, over her alleged affair with randy restaurateur Bruce Colley, who is also married with children.

"These women would recognize her need - her desire to have more in her life than she had in her marriage," said Barash, who interviewed everyone from bus dispatchers, cops and stay-at-home moms to high-powered financiers, doctors and lawyers for her study.

"For the women who choose it, it's with great effort, so they really juggle the affair and somehow fit it in."

Barash found her sexually active subjects by posting ads in YWCAs and asking women who responded to refer friends who were having affairs.

Some therapists don't agree with Barash. They say many wandering women experience shame and regret - and seek help for adulterous urges.

"I have not witnessed a growing experience of 'entitlement.' Their conscience is bothering them," said Kristen Harrington, a marriage counselor who treats couples for infidelity in upstate Kingston.

But other experts agreed that more women today are determined to dally and less sorry about straying.

"I don't see women feeling a lot of guilt," said Baltimore psychologist Shirley Glass, whose book, "Not Just Friends: Protect Your Relationship from Infidelity and Heal the Trauma of Betrayal," was published this year.

Like other daughters of sexually unfaithful fathers, Glass said, Kerry Kennedy Cuomo, the daughter of Robert Kennedy, could prefer that role rather than emulate mothers who serve as "martyrs" and "doormats."

Women with careers and financial resources can take more risks, she added: "If their partners find out, they can take care of themselves."

Glass also found surprising changes in men who mess around.

Traditionally, men's affairs were purely sexual, often involving a male in power enjoying "a little on the side" with a female subordinate.

"Now, men and women are working together as equals, with a lot of intellectual energy and common interests," Glass said. "It's a combination of emotional and sexual bonds. And it's more dangerous because it creates an alternative to the marriage, rather than just a supplement."

But equality hasn't erased the differences in why men and women cheat, other experts argue.

"Men have affairs to boost their self-esteem and because it's available. Their feelings are closely tied to their sexuality and potency," said Brooklyn psychologist Marcella Bakur Weiner.

"Women don't just want a night of joy and pleasure," she said. "No matter what the feminists say, women want love. They want emotional attachment and bonding."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
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To: Pukin Dog
Calamari Breath!
101 posted on 07/13/2003 4:47:54 PM PDT by Just_de_facts
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To: Pukin Dog
>>"More men would get married, if women forced us too. If the only way to have sex with women was through marriage, then by gum, I guess I would just have to do it, would'nt I?"<<

Hey, this sounds somewhat familiar! I seem to recall that this is the way it used to be (although I might want to discuss the word "force"). There was a time when society frowned upon (to put it mildly) men and women having sex before marriage and I think it was because our elders understood that sex is the least of the considerations for a good marriage -- even in the best of marriages, people talk and eat and keep house and travel and raise children and help parents and deal with life, etc., way more than they engage in sex! Liberals point to those ancient days as repressive for women and as marriage being designed by big bad white men (rather than by God and for our own good, no less). You can thank the feminists for getting women to think in unbiblical ways -- i.e. that home and family are not fulfilling; that men are the oppressors; that women should conduct themselves as men do in the sexual arena rather than uphold the sexual morals of our society (as they traditionally have). Of course, there have always been and always will be men who have bad intentions, but I hate the feminists for what they've wrought between us.

>>"You got me cold on the fornication deal."<<

Only a real man would admit it so freely.

>>"I can only say to God "She started it", and hope for forgiveness."<<

Nice try, but I suspect God is going to ask you about what YOU did. God offers us forgiveness, but I think there might be some questions about our sincerity if we continue to do things we know are sinful.

Call me DUH, but I still don't get why y'all call yourselves pukin dogs (I think you should have kept the "pukin" part -- it certainly is colorful!). But I do apologize for being so flip about it as I see that it is indeed honorable.

*<:o\

102 posted on 07/13/2003 4:48:12 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (OPPS!!! YOU FORGOT THE "SANS PEUR" PART IN YOUR TAGLINE, KIDDO!! hehehe)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Not quite sure what you mean by "You've had offers?" Elaborate a bit and I will give very clear and specific answers.
103 posted on 07/13/2003 4:49:16 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
You said

I have been very pleasantly surprised at the number of middle-aged Christian women who really desire and look forward to having very passionate, and uninhibited sex with a future husband.

104 posted on 07/13/2003 4:55:12 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
If you mean offers of marriage, not at this point. I have a few 'things to get resolved before I am in a position to seriously look for a marriage partner. Should be sometime around the end of the year. It is amazing how women will open up to a man who knows how to be verbally and emotionally intimate and discuss things openly that they never imagined they would with a guy soon after meeting them. And to think my ex said I didn't know how to communicate.
105 posted on 07/13/2003 5:01:19 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Threepwood
Not me. I never cheated on my ex-husband (his mistress was alcohol) and I have never and would never cheat on my boyfriend. That said, I know a couple of fine, upstanding single females who are having affairs with married men. Neither would say it is fun and both have feelings of remorse, but they keep on doing it anyway.
106 posted on 07/13/2003 5:04:48 PM PDT by arasina (I'm not sure if I really care for indecisive people. Maybe I do; maybe not.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Squid Boy!
107 posted on 07/13/2003 5:08:02 PM PDT by Just_de_facts
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To: tscislaw
american women maybe...not all women.
108 posted on 07/13/2003 5:17:15 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: viaveritasvita
Call me DUH, but I still don't get why y'all call yourselves pukin dogs

The decisions that drunk fighter pilots make in a bar in the middle of the night, should not be questioned by civilians.

109 posted on 07/13/2003 5:18:38 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Just_de_facts
Is someone trying to upset the Dog?
110 posted on 07/13/2003 5:19:08 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: connectthedots
Ok, but what is cheating about that?
111 posted on 07/13/2003 5:20:09 PM PDT by krb (the statement on the other side of this tagline is false)
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To: luckystarmom
I have a lot of faith that he isn't, but he does have much more opportunity than I do.

Your experience squares with mine, except that I'm homeschooling, so I have kids at home ALL the time, and I wear dresses with cleaning products (and worse things) on them!

I trust my husband, too - for one thing, he was faithful when things were BAD between us - but still, he's out there every day among women who couldn't care less that he's married. (Although even with his income, they might be turned off by a guy who'd be paying child support for 7 kids :-)

And if I were to ever leave him (which I won't, because even at the worst, the kids need their Dad) it sure wouldn't be for another man! I think that's just too stupid - they're all human, every single one, none is perfect! A new name, a tiny apartment, a fishtank, and a job somewhere SILENT - the morgue springs to mind ...

112 posted on 07/13/2003 5:20:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a right wingnut, I admit it!)
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To: connectthedots
I am one 'good man' who will not have sex until I am remarried to a passionate Christian woman who desires to have an active and enthusiastic sex life as a part of marriage.

That's great. And it is possible.

One of my co-workers is getting married in August. Both are very strong Christians, and have remained chaste during their entire relationship (about a year and a half). He's been chaste for almost 15 years (since his divorce)...she, for almost 6 (since hers).

Now she's bugging me to go with her to one of those "castle boutique" stores because she wants to shop for and wear something "nice but sexy" for the honeymoon. Her future hubby will be justly rewarded for postponing sex until marriage!

113 posted on 07/13/2003 5:20:22 PM PDT by kstewskis ("political correctness is intellectual terrorism...." Mel Gibson)
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To: arasina
I am sorry to contradict you but,

your friends are most certainly not fine upstanding individuals. They have cheating hearts and they will never find an honest man because they themselves are cheaters. They would not even believe it if they did have an honest man because they are cheaters.

They may be what I call fine "bowling buddies" but they are not people that anyone can depend on, hence they are losers in the area of real relationships.

This has been an interesting thread. I believe that there are good men and women out there. There are a lot of valueless people out there too. Nice people without any values. People that cannot stand up to trials because there is no grounding in their life. Nice people ... when circumstances are going their way. Quitters when things are not going their way.

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I cannot believe that anyone would run away from a relationship as soon as they start to actually have feeling for the person. If I understood Pukin dog correctly, he wants to have sex with women and as soon as he actually feels emotionally attracted to that woman he runs?

P.D. your problem is not fickle women. I think you have other problems that you readily blame on cheating women. I know many many good women (most of them are married). I hope to get married again to one of them.

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Veritas....

I loved your passage from C.S. Lewis about cutting yourself off from relationships. The idea is that only perfect relationships can be found in heaven, but "hurtless" ones are destined to be made in hell.

I was very sorry to hear you followup and say that you are not going to purue any relationships yourself.

114 posted on 07/13/2003 5:26:15 PM PDT by BRL
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To: arasina
That is interesting. That affairs can actually not be fun, but still seem to be imperative in some way.

When I used to help my Dad handle divorces, it wouldn't be uncommon to see women having affairs with sort of garbage-y men (if that term makes sense), or men risking everything to carry on. Really, nothing too special about the cheater's target, just happens to be who they desired. A lot of the time the price of this behaviour was just brutal. I remember a man that lost everything, up to and including his bloody dog as a consquence.

I dunno. It's kind of frightening to think that under the right circumstances you find yourself driven to take actions directly contrary to your best interests. That said, maybe that makes it easier to forgive.

115 posted on 07/13/2003 5:26:46 PM PDT by Threepwood
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To: krb
Nothing. He was just making the point that a passionate sex life is a part of his marriage and they seem to keep it exciting in a way that too many people may think can only be associated with adultery or sex outside of marriage.
116 posted on 07/13/2003 5:29:14 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Pukin Dog
Not at all Petty officer.
117 posted on 07/13/2003 5:29:56 PM PDT by Just_de_facts
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To: kstewskis
Now she's bugging me to go with her to one of those "castle boutique" stores because she wants to shop for and wear something "nice but sexy" for the honeymoon. Her future hubby will be justly rewarded for postponing sex until marriage!

It doesn't have to be 'nice, but sexy'. 'Blatantly erotic' is certainly acceptable within a Christian marriage as well.

118 posted on 07/13/2003 5:31:44 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
That's what's so great about being married. Sex isn't only allowed...it's actively encouraged. Even God doesn't mind.

Cheating just isn't worth it. Even if some magnificant Adonis of a man came along and no one would be the wiser, it still wouldn't be worth it.
119 posted on 07/13/2003 5:35:29 PM PDT by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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To: connectthedots
It doesn't have to be 'nice, but sexy'. 'Blatantly erotic' is certainly acceptable within a Christian marriage as well.

Oh yeah, I know, lol. She made that comment when there were others in listening distance. She and I "talk" enough (in private) to know just what she meant, HAR!

120 posted on 07/13/2003 5:36:33 PM PDT by kstewskis ("political correctness is intellectual terrorism...." Mel Gibson)
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