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Ex-Officials Dispute Iraq Tie to al-Qaida (More DNC Hate---MEGABARF!!!!)
AP News wire ^ | 7/12/2003 | MATT KELLEY

Posted on 07/13/2003 7:47:06 AM PDT by SandRat

Ex-Officials Dispute Iraq Tie to al-Qaida

By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - As President Bush works to quiet a controversy over his discredited claim of Iraqi uranium shopping in Africa, another of his prewar assertions is coming under fire: the alleged link between Saddam Hussein's regime and al-Qaida.

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Before the war, Bush and members of his cabinet said Saddam was harboring top al-Qaida operatives and suggested Iraq could slip the terrorist network chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons. Now, two former Bush administration intelligence officials say the evidence linking Saddam to the group responsible for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks was never more than sketchy at best.

"There was no significant pattern of cooperation between Iraq and the al-Qaida terrorist operation," former State Department intelligence official Greg Thielmann said this week.

Intelligence agencies agreed on the "lack of a meaningful connection to al-Qaida" and said so to the White House and Congress, said Thielmann, who left State's Bureau of Intelligence and Research last September.

Another former Bush administration intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, agreed there was no clear link between Saddam and al-Qaida.

"The relationships that were plotted were episodic, not continuous," the former official said.

Critics attacked the Bush administration assertions from the beginning for being counter to the ideologies of Saddam and al-Qaida and short on corroborating evidence.

A United Nations terrorism committee says it has no evidence other than Secretary of State Colin Powell 's assertions in his Feb. 5 U.N. speech of any ties between al-Qaida and Iraq.

And U.S. officials say American forces searching in Iraq have found no significant evidence tying Saddam's regime with Osama bin Laden's terrorist network.

"One of the things that concerns me is the continued reference to the war in Iraq as part of the war on terrorism. There's not much evidence to support that linkage," said Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and a presidential candidate.

In the weeks and months before the war, Bush and administration officials repeatedly said Saddam had ties to al-Qaida and other terrorist groups which could provide a pathway for weapons of mass destruction to find their way to terrorists. U.S. forces have not found any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons in Iraq so far.

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qaida," Bush said in his January State of the Union speech.

"Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own," Bush said.

At the time, many terrorism experts criticized the claim. They noted that Saddam's secular regime was just the kind of Arab government bin Laden's Islamic extremists want to replace. Critics also pointed out the lack of hard evidence of links between Saddam and bin Laden.

The administration's case apparently was persuasive. In a poll conducted last month by Knowledge Networks, 52 percent of those questioned said they thought the United States found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam was working closely with al-Qaida — although no such evidence has been found.

"You see the polls lots of Americans believe that there was a link between Iraq and al-Qaida despite the lack of intelligence evidence on that score," said Gregory Treverton, a former chairman of the National Intelligence Council under President Clinton.

The administration's key evidence of a link was an operative named Abu Musab Zarqawi, who got medical care in Baghdad in May 2002 after being wounded in Afghanistan. In his Feb. 5 presentation to the United Nations, Powell called Zarqawi "an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida lieutenants."

 

Current and former intelligence officials now say Zarqawi's links to al-Qaida are more tenuous — the CIA now says Zarqawi considers himself independent of al-Qaida, for example. And while Zarqawi spent time in Iraq, it's unclear whether Saddam's regime simply allowed him to be there or actively tried to work with him.

"There was scant evidence there had been any other contacts between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden," Graham said in an interview Friday.

U.S. officials say a handful of suspected al-Qaida members have been captured in Iraq, but most are probably low-level operatives. The biggest catch was a man described as a midlevel terrorist operative who worked for Zarqawi, who was nabbed in April near Baghdad.

Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism chief, said last week it's still unclear how much support Zarqawi and his followers got from Saddam.

"That he (Saddam) was promoting al-Qaida is absurd," Cannistraro said. "That there was a tolerance for a Zarqawi network in Iraq seems clear."

High-level captives from both al-Qaida and Saddam's regime also have denied any links between the two, U.S. officials say. They say al-Qaida leaders Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abu Zubayda denied their network worked with the former Iraqi government.

Farouk Hijazi, a former Iraqi intelligence operative who U.S. officials allege met with al-Qaida operatives and perhaps bin Laden himself in the 1990s, also has denied any Iraq-al-Qaida ties, officials say.

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Associated Press writer John J. Lumpkin contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alquida; bush; cia; excia; gregorythielmann; gregthielmann; lies; mediahate; tenet
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The DNC and the Enablers in the Media are having a tough time keeping the Uranium Story alive enough so that the public will listen so they Drag this tawdry old Dame Story Head-line out, rewrite it with some current "has been drips under pressure to perform (expert)" that's had a few recent deck-of-55 names added, and republish it with a new date.

Damned DimoWits and their Media Enablers!!!

1 posted on 07/13/2003 7:47:07 AM PDT by SandRat
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2 posted on 07/13/2003 7:49:13 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: SandRat
Yep, this must mean that the uranium story has lost momentum and they have to think of something else. This will die off quickly too once that news becomes widely known about the newspaper Saddam's son published that the liberal Dem friend-of-Gore found last week, showing a link. It must be driving the White House crazy, having to deal with this incredible hatred from the Dems. It's like the game of whack-a-mole -- just when you solve a problem, something else pops up. We can hope, at least, that the majority of Americans see through this Dem strategy (if you can call it a strategy).
3 posted on 07/13/2003 7:58:43 AM PDT by Moonmad27 (Sorry, fresh out of new tag lines. Check again tomorrow - we're expecting a new shipment.)
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To: SandRat
President Bush works to quiet a controversy over his discredited claim of Iraqi uranium shopping in Africa

Who discredited it? Name, please. Blair can conferm it, and he even has more sorces for the same information. At the time it was questionable, but now it's fact.
What uninformed liberal wrote this story? Where have they been all week? This issue is come and gone already and dead in the water. The press must be really bored right now.

4 posted on 07/13/2003 7:59:18 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Anti-American liberals are inbread Notsosmartso's.)
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To: SandRat
"former State Department intelligence official Greg Thielmann."..and the other "source" is unnamed

Sure are credible sources alright. </sarcasm off. Anything starting with "State Department" is suspect, given their leftist history.

DimocRatic "truth" is totally dependent on repetition. Repeat it often enough and the sheeple will swear it's true. sad.

5 posted on 07/13/2003 7:59:26 AM PDT by zip (Will the dims lying ever cease?)
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To: SandRat
Well, as Jimmah Carter so convincingly expounded this morning in an editorial, we have a duty to intervene in Liberia for ~humanitarian~ reasons. Thus said, how could any lapse in the Intelligence Community be excoriated? After all, Saddam Hussein was a monster several magnitudes greater than the current piker in Liberia. If it is so much to intervene there for some deaths, how much greater was the need to intervene in Iraq for tens of thousands of deaths and the potentially lethal gas attacks on its neighbors?

I think Jimmah would agree.

6 posted on 07/13/2003 8:09:07 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Using pretentious arcane words to buttress your argument means you don't have one)
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To: Moonmad27
JUDGE FINDS OSAMA-SADDAM LINK
7 posted on 07/13/2003 8:17:55 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: SandRat
It is mind-boggling that this report could be written now without even a mention of Federal appellate Judge Gilbert Merritt's disclosures of June 25! The AP doesn't even mention Merritt. That is just more proof, if anyone needed it, that our major organs of news dissemination are hopelessly untrustworthy. Thank God for the internet, the blogoshpere and Free Republic. Even the mighty AP, breaker of hard news extraordinaire, cannot get their biases into print without a flood of competent analysts pointing out that bias.

Here's the Merritt article in The Tennessean, which, because it's being passed around the blogosphere, is finally getting some notice over two weeks after its original publication.

8 posted on 07/13/2003 8:19:47 AM PDT by beckett
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To: SandRat
There was no significant pattern of cooperation between Iraq and the al-Qaida terrorist operation," former State Department intelligence official Greg Thielmann said this week

Former? He's seeking his 15 minutes of fame, isn't he? What does he know about current matters? Is this the only person they could find to bash bush that day?

Another former Bush administration intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity,

Another spirit speaks! Are there no physical bodies they can find?

The relationships that were plotted were episodic, not continuous," the former official said.

So were the bombing of the WTC. That doesn't mean we ignore them.

Critics attacked the Bush administration

Over and over about anything they can find, even though it's fictional.

Boy, the ol hammer and sickle has been flying high this month. Tell a lie often enough and loud enough, people will eventually begin to believe it! - Marx.

9 posted on 07/13/2003 8:32:57 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Anti-American liberals are inbread Notsosmartso's.)
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"The relationships that were plotted were episodic, not continuous"

I take this to mean that there was no link between Bin Laden and Saddam because they made contact only occasionally and not on a daily basis.
10 posted on 07/13/2003 8:33:54 AM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Moonmad27
We can hope, at least, that the majority of Americans see through this Dem strategy (if you can call it a strategy).

Fox reported that no one is paying that much attention. Just the press. People have lives. They want to move on to more important stuff and off the political stabs. Dems are too mean-spirited these days.

11 posted on 07/13/2003 8:35:25 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Anti-American liberals are inbread Notsosmartso's.)
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To: kattracks
JUDGE FINDS OSAMA-SADDAM LINK

Good link. It's the newest Democrat attack, too! LOL.
When the "Bush lied" propaganda didn't work, they started on this yesterday. LOL.

12 posted on 07/13/2003 8:38:28 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Anti-American liberals are inbread Notsosmartso's.)
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To: SandRat
JUDGE FINDS OSAMA-SADDAM LINK

compliments of kattracks. Great find.

13 posted on 07/13/2003 8:47:18 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Anti-American liberals are inbread Notsosmartso's.)
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To: beckett
It is mind-boggling that this report could be written now without even a mention of Federal appellate Judge Gilbert Merritt's disclosures of June 25! The AP doesn't even mention Merritt. That is just more proof, if anyone needed it, that our major organs of news dissemination are hopelessly untrustworthy. Thank God ...... bias.

Here's the Merritt article in The Tennessean, .... is finally getting some notice over two weeks after its original publication.

Go back to the Tennessean itself and take a close look at the bottom of the page on the original story. Have you opened a new window to do that? Good, I'll wait. Tic-tic-tic-tic. Oh, is that a scream that I heard as you saw that the Tennessean is an AP paper.

DITTO to your statement on the internet.

14 posted on 07/13/2003 8:49:31 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Ben Hecks
The relationships that were plotted were episodic, not continuous".

Worth repeating and thanks for highlighting in your post. The left keep raising the bar higher and higher. Now the contact between AQ and Iraq has to be CONTINUOUS? Sheesh.

15 posted on 07/13/2003 8:50:48 AM PDT by Peach
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To: SandRat
I have the Tennessean open. I see the related story that casts doubt on the authenticity of the "list of 600." Is that what you are talking about?
16 posted on 07/13/2003 8:57:20 AM PDT by beckett
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To: beckett
Scroll a-l-l the w-a-y down the very bottom, and you will see that the Tennessean is an AP paper and a USA Today affiliate, and part of Gannett. AP can't, won't, or is too NYT Blaired to check their own journalistic sources.
17 posted on 07/13/2003 9:03:16 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
OK --- I catch your drift. Yeah, you'd think crack AP reporter Matt Kelley would know what is in one of the AP's own newspapers.
18 posted on 07/13/2003 9:05:52 AM PDT by beckett
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To: beckett
So, do you think it's possible that FreeRepublic pressure could get crack(ed magazine read too many times) AP Journalist, Matt Kelly, Blaired?
19 posted on 07/13/2003 9:12:42 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Moonmad27
I guess the Al Qaeda camp with the Boeing Jet wasn't enough of a connection. Something tells me if I install a terrorist-training camp in my backyard and my neighbors rat me out, you can probably bet I'm going t be guilty of its presence.

"No officer! I had no idea it was back there. I never open my drapes, never go outside and I'm incredibly deaf. If I had known, I would have done something about it"

20 posted on 07/13/2003 9:13:52 AM PDT by YoungKentuckyConservative
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