The Trouble with Treason (David Horowitz regarding Ann Coulter)

Frontpagemagazine.com ^ | 7/8/03 | David Horowitz

[MEG33]

It's not my daddy's Democratic party and hasn't been in decades.I voted Republican my first vote.

[Alberta's Child]

Bob Kerrey was permanently removed from my (rapidly shrinking) list of "upright, honorable" folks in the Democratic Party in 1993, when he cast the decisive vote for Clinton's first budget with all of those tax hikes.

The fact that he cast the vote wasn't really the issue. His rationale, though, was utterly disgraceful and was a harbinger of things to come when Clinton was impeached in 1998. What he basically said was this:

"I don't think this budget is good for the country, but I will vote for it to maintain unity in the Democratic Party."

What an @sshole.

[bmwcyle]

David gets so confused sometimes.

[MEG33]

That helps me get the drift better.Thanks.

[dasein64]

Other considerations aside, I'm with Ann, David Horowitz is the first person I have read who gets the title correct about the House Committee on Un-American Activities. That committee is always referred to, on this board and by most writers on the subject, as the Un-American Activities Committee. This reversal was made deliberatly by the communists and promoted over the years by their allies. The object was to brand the committee as un-American tho the point is probably lost on todays conservatives. As far as I am concerned, Ann could not say anything bad enough about the communists who travel under different covers these days and roam about the United States, seeking whom they may destroy. As in the bible.

[cinFLA]

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[hoosiermama]

"He just tried to get her to give him a list of names of traitors"

Ann explains in her book this was one of the techniques to attach McCathy. Found it interesting the Matthews would use the same M.O. Ann foiled him.

[Tribune7]

The best way to resolve the debate is to buy the book. :-)

[Tribune7]

That itself may very well have been the most treasonous action ever taken by a U.S. president.

I think that was certainly surpassed when a certain Dem President took campaign contributions from the Chinese Communists in exchange for, well, something.

[sinkspur]

One of Coulter's problems is that she often seems like two different people. The Coulter who appears on television is far less impressive than the one who writes books.

Yep.

[ricpic]

"It is important for conservatives to make distinctions between those on the Left who were (and are) traitors or self-conceived enemies of the US, and those who were (and are) the fellow-travelers of enemies of the US, and those who are niether traitors, nor enemies,
nor friends and protectors of enemies, but are American patriots who disagree with conservatives over tactics and policy issues. It is important....because it is a condition of democracy....In order for the democratic process to survive, all parties must refrain from attempts to de-legitimize those who disagree with them, provided they have legitimate concerns and dissents."


This I think is the crux of Horowitz's problem with Treason.

If we take the present leadership of the Democratic Party can we really say that Gebhardt, Lieberman, even Kerry are traitors. I think not. Dangerously mistaken, yes. But enemies of the United States?

Of course there are a significant number of Dems whose knee-jerk, what did we do to deserve this, reaction to 9/11 gives the game away. But those Dems who did not react in that way should be debated, vigorously, but should not be lumped in with the hate America crowd.

[A_perfect_lady]

But “functionally treasonable” is also disturbingly reminiscent of the old Stalinist term “objectively fascist.” This was how people who swore their loyalty to the cause were condemned (often to death) if they deviated from the party line.

I stopped here. I like Horowitz, but I think he's over-stating the case. Ann hasn't, to my knowledge, called for anyone's death or even prosecution. She's just alerting people to the underlying implications of liberal philosophy.

[jonalvy44]

Horowitz is a reformed protester, isn't he?

One thing that turned me off about him was his repeated requests for donations and he wanted a $5k fee to speak at an Austin, TX pro-USA rally during the Iraqi crisis. I felt that was a bit extreme and he responded to my email by saying he had to make a living...Which I understand, but $5k for one day?

I don't care for the attack on Ann. I will let him know.

[arasina]

"...are as dumb as me."

hosepipe, you're definitely no dummy! Great post!

[elephantlips]

Yes, there are solid, American Democrats. With that said, the leadership of the Democratic Party today, which is perceived to "be" the Democratic Party and its position, is just about everything Ann Coulter said it is. Just as the GOP has transitioned over the decades, so have the Democrats. Staunch American Democrats from the past would be considered conservative by today's standards.

[Jumper]

Yes, a point well taken, e.g., that to lump all the democrats together is to be blind.... However, when one starts with the precept that Republicans and Democrats disagree, then it is healthy to have a reference point that assumes you must look for those who you can work with for the good of the Nation. Therefore, Ann has essentailly make the correct assumption - and her toung-in-cheek barbs at liberals is nothing but a page right out of their politics-of-personal-destruction-handbook that they normally operate from with impunity. The problem the left has with Ann is that she sees their game and by documenting her attacks and barbs is head-and-shoulders (Beautifully I might add:)) above the best of them!

[HISSKGB]

Ho Chi Minh was a Paris bred, long time communist. He had been an important member of the French Communist Party. US liberals/communists wrote fairy tales about him being a democratic lover of liberty for years.

[MEG33]

Your anarchist was McKinley's killer I see and my anarchist inspired him. She wasn't blamed for this one,but helped on another plot,eventually deported to Russia in 1919 and where she decided Stalin's plan was not as advertised.

[happygrl]

I don't remember off the top of my head which other nations fell to Communism during his tenure, but I'd suspect that Cuba was one of them.

Ouch! Cuban Revolution 1959: Castro came to power. Eisenhower's watch.

Actually, Truman was responsible (with Dean Acheson, his Secretary of State,) for the poicy of Containment, aiding the Greek government against a communist takeover immediately after WWII. He was an anti-Communist who was stuck with the deals that FDR had made with Stalin regarding Eastern Europe after WWII.But he did come up with the pre-eminent policy of the Cold War, which was to contain Communist expansionism

Of course this meant fighting them in the Korean peninsula, and later, in Vietnam, as well as in various proxy wars fought by us and our allies in Malaysia, Indonesia, Central America, Southern Africa, and so forth.

[HISSKGB]

Read Ho Chi Minh's history of years of communist activity in Paris.