The Trouble with Treason (David Horowitz regarding Ann Coulter)

Frontpagemagazine.com ^ | 7/8/03 | David Horowitz

[alnick]

That's why Ann should hone her debating skills.She doesn't explain or justify her comments well verbally and someone like Matthews discombobulates her.

I saw the interview with Matthews. Coulter was not discombobulated; Matthews was. :-)

[driftless]

How was Truman guilty of "terminal stupidity"? Horowitz detailed Truman's fierce opposition to communism. Is Horowitz wrong?

[BohDaThone]

With regard to your claim of Kennedy's affair with an "East GErman" agent.

Not East German. There was no East German government then. The affair was when JFK was quite young, and the woman was a NAZI agent.

[MEG33]

Someone on the forum here said he got the best of her..I suppose it depends!

[Psalm 73]

Oh, to see a live debate between Horowitz and Coulter.
I admire and respect both, and know they will get over it - like when Ann called Jonah Goldberg and Rich Lowry "Girly-men" because they were horrified at the same statement that drew Horowitz to her.
Hey, good conservatives aren't afraid to spar a little, because there is no "Party line" and we don't do "group-think".

[Loyal Buckeye]

The essence of the issue: Were there Communist spies in positions at the highest levels of our government or not? If so, what did those in charge know, when did they know it, and what did they do about it?

Based on recent actions by leaders of the Dems, my hunch is they tried to sweep everything under the rug way back when. I believe that AC is, in essence, saying the same thing.

[HiTech RedNeck]

In fact the decisive battles of this era took place inside liberalism.

What is called "liberalism" has morphed greatly over the years. The liberals of old, the classic liberals, the ones whose minds were open but not so open that their brains constantly fell out, now comprise a large chunk of today's conservatives. Why have so many former Democrats become Republicans? The typical comment you get from them is not some Damascus Road conversion experience, but rather "I didn't move; my party did." "Conservatism" is an empty term if not accompanied by a clear understanding about what is being conserved.

[MEG33]

They say they don't mind 'cause they don't have to deal with logistics.The speeches are dreadful and I would cringe in shame to associate myself with such even if I were liberal.Many conservatives are concerned about civil rights and the Patriot act.I promise the big sponsor of civil rights protests will be Communist/socialists.Hope conservatives know who they are dealing with and stay away from such association.

[MEG33]

The question of support for Mao instead of Chang Kai Shek is one facet of history I need to explore from WW2.I know Lattimore had too many commie friends and the Soviets considered him a friend!I grew up with Dem parents passionately in favor of Chaing.

[Cold Heat]

One cannot parse Ann's book by referencing individuals.

During every show that she has been on recently, the liberal talking head takes this individual reference method and attacks the premise of the book which only states the obvious.

As a whole, the democrat party is traitorous and defective.

Parsing the book down to the individual level creates a indefensible position and Ann has been unsuccessful in keeping them from doing it. They cannot win the argument otherwise.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...Everyone says liberals love America, too. No they don’t. Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence.”...

I'm sorry, but this is the plain truth.
The only question is to define liberals.

[hosepipe]

What David don't get, Ann gets...
In a nation that half of them that voted, voted for Al Gore, a certified half wit, IMO... And a part of the other half that voted believes America is a democracy.. Separating the nuances of colors of what stripe of Socialist their dealing with is beyond them, and is beyond me too.

The fear of McCarthism has been and is palpable. So much so that a discourse on the DSA was done only in whispers, or among the choir to themselves. Now that may change because of this book. Ann said what dummys like me would love to have said, in a best selling book for all to see(COVER) and read. David missed that in his screed. The democrats, all of them includeing Lieberman have no credibilty. So that is why it will depend on a "conservative" to discredit her or try to. Takeing the sting of her words away or try to.

Resurrecting McCarthy she did and inflamed and breathed life into the hearts of defeated and disgusted voters like myself. Maybe voting will work again. Powerful words that needed to be said. So guys like myself can invoke his name again. And maybe even in Wash D.C. cloakrooms too because obviously most of our reps. are as dumb as me. Us dummys can't no won't separate the Hiss's and Bonior's, or Howard Deans.

Ann writes with a (KISS)keep it simple stupid flair documented and referenced. A scholarly approach to writeing about a burning building bores me and I maybe not be alone. Powerful book that cuts McCarthy baiting off at the knees..

[jammer]

One small (?) stupid thing: Ho Chi Min wrote Truman on 8 occasions asking for help against the colonial aspirations of France. In the aftermath of the war, and in trying to help an ally, his lack of help may be understandable. But he didn't even acknowledge the letters. It might not have looked important then, but it became very important--disastrous in many ways for the U.S.--when Ho turned to Mao.

[MEG33]

Your post made me think!Perhaps I get a bit"prissy" over Ann's flamethrowing!

[NYC Republican]

I keep wondering that about all the columns criticizing Ann and Treason. All of them seem to have major points that are refuted by a few direct quotes from the text.

Either that, or Ann isn't aware of the full text within her book, i.e.- someone helped her write it. How else would you explain the JFK references to Matthews? You'd assume she would have read and studies the whole book before appearing on the TV circuit.

[Constitutional Patriot]

bump for later...

[MEG33]

Interesting point.France was then an ally so what could we do?

[William McKinley]

In fact, the Palmer Raids were triggered by a massive domestic campaign of terror conducted by anarchist organizations. It involved a hundred mail bombs and an attempt to blow up the Attorney General of the United States (Mitchell Palmer) and J.P. Morgan among others. One anarchist bombing killed 40 people – the biggest terrorist atrocity in American history until then. Another plot -- to poison 200 members of the Archdiocese of Chicago who were attending a dinner party -- failed when the guests only became sick.

Anarchists suck. And their violence started a few decades before 1920 if I recall...

[MEG33]

Emma Goldman is a famous anarchist,feminist who was at it in 1902.

[Poohbah]

That's Horowitz's point: she says nice things about JFK in the book, then attacks him in an interview with Chris Matthews--on the same points.

If that's not equivocating, pray tell what is?