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The Freedom Institute ^ | July 7, 2003 | Adam Yoshida

Posted on 07/05/2003 7:50:42 PM PDT by adamyoshida

Savages

July 5th, like virtually every other day in recent memory, has brought multiple terrorist outrages. In Russia, a pair of Muslim suicide bombers killed at least sixteen people. In Iraq, Islamists set off a bomb which killed seven police recruits. Barely a day on this Earth goes by where some Islamic extremists do not murder at least a few civilians. There is a reason for this: the Islamists have discovered the terror works because the leaders in most of the West are too irresolute to fully comprehend the fact that terror can only be fought with terror.

It is in the long-term interests of the world that a close alliance be forged between the United States and Russia. As the two great powers faced with deepest threats from radical Islam, Russia and America have a common enemy- and they have a common solution to their problems: to wipe out the terrorists. More than that, bringing the Russia closer to the United States will hopefully prevent it from becoming closer to continental Europe, thereby placing extreme pressure from the European Union from the East.

There is only one way to deal with Islamists: to kill them. The goals of Islamists are unlimited and their dedication of total- virtually every freed Islamic terrorist’s first goal upon his release is to plan new acts of terror. Most of them spend their time in prison doing the same. Keeping Muslim terrorists alive is a security threat, in that it does not take them forever off the chessboard of the world and, even worst still, a waste of valuable oxygen. The only permissible reason for allowing an Islamist thug to live should be his willingness and ability to provide information: either voluntarily or involuntarily. Those who are uncooperative should be disposed of the moment they cease to be useful. Those who are helpful ought to be allowed to live, under close surveillance, but they should be eliminated the moment it is seems that they might again pose a threat.

I think that the Russians understand this. Their decade-long experience in Afghanistan has taught them the perils of half-war and of allowing any quarter to Islamists. The main thing preventing them from totally destroying the al-Qaeda backed Chechen bandits is the threat of Western disapproval and the cut-off of Western aid. Although it is true that Russia was singularly unhelpful before and during the war in Iraq, that is not sufficient reason to hang them out to dry in Chechnya and all of the other places were they are fighting Muslim insurgents. The United States should assure Russia that whatever happens in Chechnya (or in Georgia, for that matter) is of no concern to the United States and promise to make up for any loans or aid lost as a result of sanctions on three conditions: that, under no circumstances, will the experience of Iraq will not be repeated, that Russia will immediately cease all aid to Iran and North Korea, and that Russia will make no attempt to formally associate itself with the European Union.

To fight terrorism we need a combination of the Russian and American way of war. In a typically American fashion civilians in war zones should be fed, clothed, sheltered, defended, and not made subject to reprisals for terrorist acts committed by their relatives and friends. However, for those who engage in, support, or advocate terrorism there should be no quarter and no mercy. Membership in groups like al-Qaeda or the Fedayeen should be declared to be an offence punishable by death- and should always be punished in this fashion. These policies must be maintained, despite all pressure to change them. Two faults are at the core of every campaign against insurgents: an undue harshness towards civilians or a lack of vigour against the guerrillas. The civilians must be fed and nourished; the terrorists must be butchered and slaughtered.

This brings me to the second matter I wish to discuss: the coming war over the prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay. The British media will soon fly into a tizzy because two of the terrorists set to be tried there are British citizens. But, fundamentally, that doesn’t matter a whit. A terrorist is a terrorist- regardless of whether he was born in London or Riyadh- they all deserve the same fate.

We must keep this in mind as the long war goes on. This war can end in only one way: the final destruction of Islamism.


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To: Brian Allen
Unfortunatly, you are probably right.
61 posted on 07/06/2003 4:30:45 AM PDT by RAY
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To: river rat
Right!!!
62 posted on 07/06/2003 4:32:24 AM PDT by RAY
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To: Brian Allen
"Radical islam is The Beast! "Moderate islam" is its Trojan Horse!"

Unfortunately, it seems you are right! Even the most "moderate" of them seem to justify the "radicals".

63 posted on 07/06/2003 4:36:26 AM PDT by RAY
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To: adamyoshida
"Iraq, the cradle of civilization, makes a fine base for and Empire. From the central position the United States now commands the whole middle East."

You've got it!

64 posted on 07/06/2003 4:40:03 AM PDT by RAY
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To: Filibuster_60
Ultimate victory can be declared when the Muslim world stops reproducing.............
65 posted on 07/06/2003 4:46:37 AM PDT by varon
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To: adamyoshida
Barely a day on this Earth goes by where some Islamic extremists do not murder at least a few civilians. There is a reason for this: the Islamists have discovered the terror works because the leaders in most of the West are too irresolute to fully comprehend the fact that terror can only be fought with terror.

Isn't it remarkable how an otherwise advanced society composed mostly of intelligent rational people can be incapable of making the simple distinction between "means" and "ends"?

By many (most?) the Constitution is assumed to be the "ends" these days; The welfare and continued existence of its citizens and their society has always the obvious "ends" to me.

66 posted on 07/06/2003 4:55:56 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Travis McGee
The end game of this war is we lose a few cities, and then they lose Mecca, Medina, Qum, Damascus, Riyadh, Jiddha, Cairo, etc.

We might lose a few cities but with the prevailing PC, the only retribution I envision is a strong protest at the UN.

67 posted on 07/06/2003 4:58:00 AM PDT by varon
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To: adamyoshida
Iraq, the cradle of civilization, makes a fine base for and Empire. From the central position the United States now commands the whole middle East.

If that's what it takes.

Or Islam can transform itself.

Their choice.

68 posted on 07/06/2003 4:58:35 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: gonzo
"The Germans and the Japanese had to face extinction before they quit WW-II. The islamaniacs will have to face it soon, and the sooner the better"

Unfortunately you are probably right. I spent a year in the Islamic area of the world and their damn piousness and apparent herd mentality was astounding. They will probably stone all of their own that try to tell them they are wrong. Unfortunately eradication, until they get the message, may be the only answer.

God help us!

69 posted on 07/06/2003 4:59:17 AM PDT by RAY
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To: RAY
<< Even the most "moderate" of them seem to justify the "radicals". >>

Like the cells in any life form many individual muslims are very beautiful.

But it is The Beast as a whole that is the threat.

[Remember the parable of the frog and the scorpion!]

First to Our Nation and its outpost, the Nation of Israel.

And once [Fat hope!] we have been destroyed -- to the very Judeo-Christian [That is: "to all of Human"] Civilization Our Nation has long Vanguarded -- and forever Guards!
70 posted on 07/06/2003 4:59:17 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Burkeman1
Until victory? What is the definition of victory?

No Muslim Mass Murder for a few generations.
Or to put it another way: the eradication of Islam.

It's not rocket science.

71 posted on 07/06/2003 5:00:47 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Burkeman1
You have just confirmed for me that this operation is totally insane.

What are you talking about?
If your mind were not like concrete (all mixed up and permanently set) you wouldn't be posting apologists muslim BS here non-stop.

Where's the rest of your MMM team these days?

72 posted on 07/06/2003 5:03:38 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: 7DayRepo
My thoughts/feelings also.
73 posted on 07/06/2003 5:05:30 AM PDT by mel
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To: Archangelsk
Is the writer willing to execute children? How about pregnant women? Invalids? This is offensive.

That statement certainly is.

Just think... Hitler might have spared Germany (and himself) using that same bullshit line.

74 posted on 07/06/2003 5:05:48 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: adamyoshida
Isn't what you're suggesting the very thing that Saddam Hussein did to *his* enemies?

Isn't it what Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, or Idi Amin did?

Kill them all, and let God sort it out. < /sarcasm >

75 posted on 07/06/2003 5:14:24 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: RAY
I agree with you. I wish all the ignorant Liberals ("Let's not be judgmental") could spend some time in an Islamic country OR just come on over to Europe and see how Europe is turning into Eurabia. I am spending some time this summer in Germany, where I also lived for two years. The Muslims are continuing to pour into this country and they are responsible for the rising crime rate that the German government doesn't want to admit to. Violence and total intolerance is a natural way of life with the Muslim religion and culture. The sooner Americans wake up and realize this, the better. And folks, forget about the so-called "moderate" Arab Muslims. That is a myth, because all Muslims are equally complicit when they silently support the radicals and refuse to confront the terrorists amongst their brethren.
76 posted on 07/06/2003 5:24:38 AM PDT by MissouriForBush
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To: mrustow
"Then how come the world has gone long periods without suffering from Islamic terrorism?"

Because for a long period of time, Islaam was the dominant religion of the world. They had an empire that was larger than Rome. However, now that they've fallen behind, radical Islaamist are once again resorting to their crazed jihad, and terrorism is the way they feel most comfortable trying to achieve it, apparently.
77 posted on 07/06/2003 5:42:51 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: adamyoshida
Michael Savage has said, "Only a more savage nation can survive".

Netanyaho said,"We [ the West ] have the means & they have the will-the question is, when do we discover our will [ to survive ]?"
78 posted on 07/06/2003 5:49:59 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: RAY
I just hope we don't have to keep that many troops there for that long.
79 posted on 07/06/2003 6:53:20 AM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: happygrl
The Russians have become chauvinists and are returning to their Orthodox roots.

As if they weren't chauvinists before. The Chechen conflict goes much farther back than the 90s and there's not much difference in the way the Russians deal with Muslim insurgents today compared to the Communist or Czarist eras - except they can't deal with them as effectively as they did in 1944, when Stalin deported the whole Chechen and Crimean Tatar populations to Siberia and Central Asia, killing about 25% of them in the process. Today's Russian leaders for the most part want to resurrect their nation's world-power status and to further that end they'll work with anti-American regimes throughout the world, including the Mideast, as they see fit.

80 posted on 07/06/2003 7:05:07 AM PDT by Filibuster_60
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