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Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!
spaceref.com ^ | 3 Jul 03 | staff

Posted on 07/03/2003 10:22:13 AM PDT by RightWhale

Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!

Astronomers looking for planetary systems that resemble our own solar system have found the most similar formation so far. British astronomers, working with Australian and American colleagues, have discovered a planet like Jupiter in orbit round a nearby star that is very like our own Sun. Among the hundred found so far, this system is the one most similar to our Solar System. The planet's orbit is like that of Jupiter in our own Solar System, especially as it is nearly circular and there are no bigger planets closer in to its star.

"This planet is going round in a nearly circular orbit three-fifths the size of our own Jupiter. This is the closest we have yet got to a real Solar System-like planet, and advances our search for systems that are even more like our own," said UK team leader Hugh Jones of Liverpool John Moores University.

The planet was discovered using the 3.9-metre Anglo-Australian Telescope [AAT] in New South Wales, Australia. The discovery, which is part of a large search for solar systems that resemble our own, will be announced today (Thursday, July 3rd 2003) by Hugh Jones (Liverpool John Moores University) at a conference on "Extrasolar Planets: Today and Tomorrow" in Paris, France.

"It is the exquisite precision of our measurements that lets us search for these Jupiters - they are harder to find than the more exotic planets found so far. Perhaps most stars will be shown to have planets like our own Solar System", said Dr Alan Penny, from the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory.

The new planet, which has a mass about twice that of Jupiter, circles its star (HD70642) about every six years. HD70642 can be found in the constellation Puppis and is about 90 light years away from Earth. The planet is 3.3 times further from its star as the Earth is from the Sun (about halfway between Mars and Jupiter if it were in our own system).

The long-term goal of this programme is the detection of true analogues to the Solar System: planetary systems with giant planets in long circular orbits and small rocky planets on shorter circular orbits. This discovery of a -Jupiter- like gas giant planet around a nearby star is a step toward this goal. The discovery of other such planets and planetary satellites within the next decade will help astronomers assess the Solar System's place in the galaxy and whether planetary systems like our own are common or rare.

Prior to the discovery of extrasolar planets, planetary systems were generally predicted to be similar to the Solar System - giant planets orbiting beyond 4 Earth-Sun distances in circular orbits, and terrestrial mass planets in inner orbits. The danger of using theoretical ideas to extrapolate from just one example - our own Solar System - has been shown by the extrasolar planetary systems now known to exist which have very different properties. Planetary systems are much more diverse than ever imagined.

However these new planets have only been found around one-tenth of stars where they were looked for. It is possible that the harder-to-find very Solar System-like planets do exist around most stars.

The vast majority of the presently known extrasolar planets lie in elliptical orbits, which would preclude the existence of habitable terrestrial planets. Previously, the only gas giant found to orbit beyond 3 Earth-Sun distances in a near circular orbit was the outer planet of the 47 Ursa Majoris system - a system which also includes an inner gas giant at 2 Earth-Sun distances (unlike the Solar System). This discovery of a 3.3 Earth-Sun distance planet in a near circular orbit around a Sun-like star bears the closest likeness to our Solar System found to date and demonstrates our searches are precise enough to find Jupiter- like planets in Jupiter-like orbit.

To find evidence of planets, the astronomers use a high- precision technique developed by Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institute of Washington and Geoff Marcy of the University of California at Berkeley to measure how much a star "wobbles" in space as it is affected by a planet's gravity. As an unseen planet orbits a distant star, the gravitational pull causes the star to move back and forth in space. That wobble can be detected by the 'Doppler shifting' it causes in the star's light. This discovery demonstrates that the long term precision of the team's technique is 3 metres per second (7mph) making the Anglo-Australian Planet Search at least as precise as any of the many planet search projects underway.


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To: js1138
It was published in post 199 of this thread that you did hit the abuse button for one of the last two threads.
221 posted on 07/03/2003 8:53:26 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: js1138; longshadow
JS1138: I really want to say something about wildly eliptical orbits. My tongue is all bloody from biting it.

longshadow: Me too!

Well I will! Wildly Eliptical placemarker! hehehehehe

222 posted on 07/03/2003 8:53:38 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Old Professer; js1138
I don't understand why a whole thread should be pulled at all unless it was very early and then only with explanation.

After all, politics is discourse

Agreed

223 posted on 07/03/2003 8:54:59 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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To: whattajoke
The part that pissed me off was that I had pinned a creationist to the wall with his minifig experiment and never got a reply.

You never will. The second they are losing, the thread gets pulled! Hmmmm... go figure.

224 posted on 07/03/2003 8:55:16 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Doctor Stochastic
ok I was gonna let it slide, but js already admitted to doing it in the first thread.

you people never learn.
225 posted on 07/03/2003 8:55:39 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: RadioAstronomer
enough of the lies

your side got its collective butt kicked to Uranus in the last one. None of us wanted it pulled. We were enjoying it too much.
226 posted on 07/03/2003 8:56:54 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: conservababeJen
We tried to be adults and deal with it CBJ, but your boyfriend won't put up with it.

I tried to show him where his argument was ridiculous, and so have others, we have made some excellent points, but he will NOT admit that it is a silly assertion because his structure is too rigid.

It really is too bad, because as long as he continues with his behavior, there will be no adult conversation from YOUR side.

If attacked we attack back, he starts them, and we join the fray.

It is like a bunch of people debating in a bar, then some big ape walks in the room and starts yelling insults, those that agree with him, back him up, no matter how wrong he is, and those of us that are attacked, attack back.

ALS is the big ape that walks into the bar and starts the brawl.

The debate is civil UNTIL he adds his insults to the thread, then it gets out of control.

It is there for all to see, the examples are there, and when the thread gets deleted, he gets to start all over again, as if it NEVER happened, because all of a sudden there is NO proof. Interesting that.

If you can keep ALS civil, I guarantee the conversation will remain civil. SO leash him up, and watch what happens.

You seem to be the ONLY one he will listen to.

I wonder if he will now send me a threatening E-mail, TELLING me to leave you alone?
227 posted on 07/03/2003 8:57:13 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Well now I AM lost ... how can an orbit be wildly elliptical and still be an orbit of more than one or three passes?
228 posted on 07/03/2003 8:59:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Aric2000
Don't call me names and DON'T accuse ME of sending you threatening emails unless you want me to post how you cried like a banshee last night when you got caught posting an edited email.

shoo fly!
229 posted on 07/03/2003 8:59:27 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Those wildly elliptical orbits sound particularly uncomfortable. woo, speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down, geez, it's a wonder the earth is in one piece at all.
230 posted on 07/03/2003 9:00:50 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: ALS; conservababeJen
None of us wanted it pulled. We were enjoying it too much.

Actually from this point out I am only going to post (on this thread) about what this thread was intended for in the first place.

231 posted on 07/03/2003 9:01:25 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: MHGinTN
LOL, sorry, it's an inside joke.

A poster has claimed that the planets are in wildly elliptical orbits, and we find it rather amusing, needless to say, he does NOT.
232 posted on 07/03/2003 9:02:11 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: conservababeJen
As I said, put a leash on him and see what happens.....
233 posted on 07/03/2003 9:02:59 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
Thank you ... er, I guess I'll climb back up on the porch.
234 posted on 07/03/2003 9:03:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Thank you sir. If only post#38 had your resolve.
235 posted on 07/03/2003 9:04:24 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: MHGinTN
Well now I AM lost ... how can an orbit be wildly elliptical and still be an orbit of more than one or three passes?

This is from a long ago argument that a rather well known poster tried to convince allof us that the planets circling our sun were "wildly elliptical".

236 posted on 07/03/2003 9:06:15 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Doctor Stochastic
It was published in post 199 of this thread that you did hit the abuse button for one of the last two threads.

I hit the abuse button a couple of weeks ago after privately asking a freeper not to post so many images that were unrelated to the discussion. I explained that this makes it difficult for dial-up folks to follow the discussion. After several private back and forths, I hit the button. Absolutely nothing happened. The thread was pulled many hundreds of posts later after an unrelated flame war. This is the button that I openly admitted to at the time and which I have never denied. It's the only one in five years. It's also the one I discussed privately ths morning.

237 posted on 07/03/2003 9:09:37 PM PDT by js1138
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To: RightWhale
Van Flandern was on Coast this week with his exploding planet hypothesis. The asteroids and the other pieces that we see as meteorites seem to have been part of a planet that broke apart. It's an old idea, except for the part where Mars was a moon of this exploded planet. Perhaps this exploded planet was a gas giant, too, and all that is left is pieces of the rocky core. It's at the distance-from-the-sun junction where rocky planets and gas giants meet.

The asteroid belt has an estimated total combined mass of less than 1 tenth of the Earth’s moon. Jupiter also has a profound effect on the asteroid belt. Since Jupiter has a semimajor axis of 5.2 AU (I AU is the distance from the Sun to the Earth) it has an orbital period of 11.86 years. Since the asteroids are not all at the same distance from the sun, some of them have an orbital period of one half of Jupiter. This puts that asteroid in a 2:1 orbital resonance with Jupiter. The result of this resonance is gaps called Kirkwood’s gaps. So here is the rub; why did not these asteroids form a planet? The reason is the gravitational force of Jupiter. It perturbs the asteroids giving them random velocities relative to each other. Another effect of both Jupiter and the Sun on the asteroid belt is a group of asteroids that both precede and follow Jupiter in its orbit by 60 degrees. These asteroids are known as the Trojans.

238 posted on 07/03/2003 9:10:24 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: js1138
"It's also the one I discussed privately ths morning."

ahhh
239 posted on 07/03/2003 9:11:01 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: Political Junkie Too; donh
I think I heard somewhere that the total mass of the asteroid belt is only about 1/4th of a planet, debunking the "exploded planet" theory.

See my post # 238

240 posted on 07/03/2003 9:12:36 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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