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Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!
spaceref.com ^ | 3 Jul 03 | staff

Posted on 07/03/2003 10:22:13 AM PDT by RightWhale

Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!

Astronomers looking for planetary systems that resemble our own solar system have found the most similar formation so far. British astronomers, working with Australian and American colleagues, have discovered a planet like Jupiter in orbit round a nearby star that is very like our own Sun. Among the hundred found so far, this system is the one most similar to our Solar System. The planet's orbit is like that of Jupiter in our own Solar System, especially as it is nearly circular and there are no bigger planets closer in to its star.

"This planet is going round in a nearly circular orbit three-fifths the size of our own Jupiter. This is the closest we have yet got to a real Solar System-like planet, and advances our search for systems that are even more like our own," said UK team leader Hugh Jones of Liverpool John Moores University.

The planet was discovered using the 3.9-metre Anglo-Australian Telescope [AAT] in New South Wales, Australia. The discovery, which is part of a large search for solar systems that resemble our own, will be announced today (Thursday, July 3rd 2003) by Hugh Jones (Liverpool John Moores University) at a conference on "Extrasolar Planets: Today and Tomorrow" in Paris, France.

"It is the exquisite precision of our measurements that lets us search for these Jupiters - they are harder to find than the more exotic planets found so far. Perhaps most stars will be shown to have planets like our own Solar System", said Dr Alan Penny, from the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory.

The new planet, which has a mass about twice that of Jupiter, circles its star (HD70642) about every six years. HD70642 can be found in the constellation Puppis and is about 90 light years away from Earth. The planet is 3.3 times further from its star as the Earth is from the Sun (about halfway between Mars and Jupiter if it were in our own system).

The long-term goal of this programme is the detection of true analogues to the Solar System: planetary systems with giant planets in long circular orbits and small rocky planets on shorter circular orbits. This discovery of a -Jupiter- like gas giant planet around a nearby star is a step toward this goal. The discovery of other such planets and planetary satellites within the next decade will help astronomers assess the Solar System's place in the galaxy and whether planetary systems like our own are common or rare.

Prior to the discovery of extrasolar planets, planetary systems were generally predicted to be similar to the Solar System - giant planets orbiting beyond 4 Earth-Sun distances in circular orbits, and terrestrial mass planets in inner orbits. The danger of using theoretical ideas to extrapolate from just one example - our own Solar System - has been shown by the extrasolar planetary systems now known to exist which have very different properties. Planetary systems are much more diverse than ever imagined.

However these new planets have only been found around one-tenth of stars where they were looked for. It is possible that the harder-to-find very Solar System-like planets do exist around most stars.

The vast majority of the presently known extrasolar planets lie in elliptical orbits, which would preclude the existence of habitable terrestrial planets. Previously, the only gas giant found to orbit beyond 3 Earth-Sun distances in a near circular orbit was the outer planet of the 47 Ursa Majoris system - a system which also includes an inner gas giant at 2 Earth-Sun distances (unlike the Solar System). This discovery of a 3.3 Earth-Sun distance planet in a near circular orbit around a Sun-like star bears the closest likeness to our Solar System found to date and demonstrates our searches are precise enough to find Jupiter- like planets in Jupiter-like orbit.

To find evidence of planets, the astronomers use a high- precision technique developed by Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institute of Washington and Geoff Marcy of the University of California at Berkeley to measure how much a star "wobbles" in space as it is affected by a planet's gravity. As an unseen planet orbits a distant star, the gravitational pull causes the star to move back and forth in space. That wobble can be detected by the 'Doppler shifting' it causes in the star's light. This discovery demonstrates that the long term precision of the team's technique is 3 metres per second (7mph) making the Anglo-Australian Planet Search at least as precise as any of the many planet search projects underway.


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To: Piltdown_Woman
Self-restraint, as a trait, can never be self-announced.
201 posted on 07/03/2003 8:09:09 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Prodigal Son
We also inadvertently sent staph germs to the Moon, outside of Apollo.

However, an Apollo crew brought some of them back and they were brought back to life after a few years on the Moon.

202 posted on 07/03/2003 8:10:37 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: conservababeJen
You were on all 3 too. What's your point?

I think the point is that many of us have been freepers for five years or more and have never been on a pulled thread before. This is quite a shock.

203 posted on 07/03/2003 8:11:32 PM PDT by js1138
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To: donh
Wallace was about to publish very similar conclusions but deferred to Darwin as his elder; that's about all I remember.
204 posted on 07/03/2003 8:13:44 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Political Junkie Too
I have an old Reader's Digest dictionary with a pictorial sufffix that clearly illustrates this; quite interesting.
205 posted on 07/03/2003 8:16:59 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: js1138
Rather than be so stunned, why not read the REASON management gave for doing so. It's a heated topic on BOTH sides. To publicly blame another long time member is pure BS.
206 posted on 07/03/2003 8:17:54 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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To: RightWhale
If we started on an ark today, it would probably take 20 years to build, at LEAST, by that time, the entire technology it was based on would be obsolete, kinda like the shuttles.

What we need to do is put together a conglomeration of private companies to build it, then promise those companies the sole rights to minerals etc that was found, it would of course be a LONG term investment, but it would also force them to try and come up with a faster method of propulsion.

Private industry, the only way to REALLY get into space efficiently.
207 posted on 07/03/2003 8:20:31 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: RightWhale
Right you are. It's kind of off the main theme of this thread, which is that there could be another earthlike planet for us if we can get there.

Don't you think we ought to warn them first?

208 posted on 07/03/2003 8:23:22 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: conservababeJen
It's a heated topic on BOTH sides. To publicly blame another long time member is pure BS.

You are correct. When I got online this morning and saw the flame war going on, I knew where it was headed. I have conveyed my thoughts to others privately, and we are trying to do better.

209 posted on 07/03/2003 8:23:50 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Young Werther
"Orbit a dozen or so Hubbles and space them a couple thousand miles apart...we would then be able to resolve the weather patterns on those planets that revolve around those stars in the neighborhood. "

Nice investment.

How about if the U.S. Treasury merely bulldozes about $20 billion into the middle of the desert and creates the world's largest bonfire?

210 posted on 07/03/2003 8:27:12 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Ann Coulter for Attorney General... Joe Scarborough for VP...Tom Tancredo as Homeland Security Chief)
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To: Physicist
Prof. Brimley's comment, far from an insult, is the most cogent comment on fine-tuning arguments ever uttered by human tongue. The world isn't "just right" for us: we are right for the world, because evolution has naturally shaped us to conform to it. We are so in tune with the properties of our world that they look like prerequisites.

There are a couple of problems with that.

Of all the creatures on earth, man is the most unadapted: he is neither fleet nor massive; he is not armored against the elements nor is he comfortable in repose except in lush meadow; he cannot leap above the slithering threats of the jungle or outrun the winds of the desert sky; he is morose, irritable and totally out-of-sorts in solitude and an outright bore in poor company; he is never satisfied save for a full belly and an empty groin and he just will never leave anything alone, no matter how good it may seem to another.

211 posted on 07/03/2003 8:37:26 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: js1138
K, well if we're all gonna play warm footsies in the sandbox, it would help to refrain from public, unsolicited (false)assertions of blame in brand new threads that have zero to do with the topic.

Oh yeah, and laying off the abuse button would help.

212 posted on 07/03/2003 8:37:28 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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To: conservababeJen
Oh yeah, and laying off the abuse button would help.

I've only used the abuse button once in five years, and that was several weeks ago, and only after an extended private discussion about what I found offensive.

I really try to avoid flame wars, but I am, after all, a sinner. I hope you will judge me by my future efforts.

213 posted on 07/03/2003 8:41:55 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Prodigal Son
I don't know, there's a whole bunch of one's in infinity.
214 posted on 07/03/2003 8:42:24 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Salman
If we weren't just right, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But creatures quite unlike us might. They might wonder how we survive with such a weak source of gamma rays to illumine our marigolds.

215 posted on 07/03/2003 8:45:49 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Aric2000; PatrickHenry
Thanks for the ping!
216 posted on 07/03/2003 8:48:20 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: js1138
well, I've heard otherwise in my "private discussions".
Regardless, I wasn't just talking about YOU.

Maybe what is needed is a let's-handle-our-quarrels-without-dragging-in-management-pact?

Deal?

217 posted on 07/03/2003 8:48:22 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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To: js1138
well, I've heard otherwise in my "private discussions".
Regardless, I wasn't just talking about YOU.

Maybe what is needed is a let's-handle-our-quarrels-without-dragging-in-management-pact?

Deal?

We ARE growns-ups, right?

218 posted on 07/03/2003 8:49:38 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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To: js1138
I don't understand why a whole thread should be pulled at all unless it was very early and then only with explanation.

After all, politics is discourse.

219 posted on 07/03/2003 8:50:20 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: visualops; ASA Vet
...In 2370, following the formation of a massive subspace rift within the Hekaras Corridor, the Federation Council agreed that the use of warp fields posed a significant threat to some areas of space. Therefore the Council decreed that some areas would be limited to essential travel only. Furthermore, the Council imposed a Federation-wide 'speed limit' of warp 5, which could only be exceeded in times of extreme emergency [TNG: Force of Nature]. Later advances in Federation warp drive technology permitted the use of speeds exceeding warp 5. One of the first ships to be so equipped was the Intrepid-class U.S.S. Voyager, whose variable-geometry warp drive nacelles prevented damage to the subspace continuum.

Who needs a Intersellar Traffic Cop?..."Full Speed Ahead...Damn the Photons"...Warp 9.9999999998 ST/NG - 4.795 days to reach Andomeda Galaxy...I found the warp calulator. :))

220 posted on 07/03/2003 8:50:33 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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