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Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!
spaceref.com ^ | 3 Jul 03 | staff

Posted on 07/03/2003 10:22:13 AM PDT by RightWhale

Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!

Astronomers looking for planetary systems that resemble our own solar system have found the most similar formation so far. British astronomers, working with Australian and American colleagues, have discovered a planet like Jupiter in orbit round a nearby star that is very like our own Sun. Among the hundred found so far, this system is the one most similar to our Solar System. The planet's orbit is like that of Jupiter in our own Solar System, especially as it is nearly circular and there are no bigger planets closer in to its star.

"This planet is going round in a nearly circular orbit three-fifths the size of our own Jupiter. This is the closest we have yet got to a real Solar System-like planet, and advances our search for systems that are even more like our own," said UK team leader Hugh Jones of Liverpool John Moores University.

The planet was discovered using the 3.9-metre Anglo-Australian Telescope [AAT] in New South Wales, Australia. The discovery, which is part of a large search for solar systems that resemble our own, will be announced today (Thursday, July 3rd 2003) by Hugh Jones (Liverpool John Moores University) at a conference on "Extrasolar Planets: Today and Tomorrow" in Paris, France.

"It is the exquisite precision of our measurements that lets us search for these Jupiters - they are harder to find than the more exotic planets found so far. Perhaps most stars will be shown to have planets like our own Solar System", said Dr Alan Penny, from the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory.

The new planet, which has a mass about twice that of Jupiter, circles its star (HD70642) about every six years. HD70642 can be found in the constellation Puppis and is about 90 light years away from Earth. The planet is 3.3 times further from its star as the Earth is from the Sun (about halfway between Mars and Jupiter if it were in our own system).

The long-term goal of this programme is the detection of true analogues to the Solar System: planetary systems with giant planets in long circular orbits and small rocky planets on shorter circular orbits. This discovery of a -Jupiter- like gas giant planet around a nearby star is a step toward this goal. The discovery of other such planets and planetary satellites within the next decade will help astronomers assess the Solar System's place in the galaxy and whether planetary systems like our own are common or rare.

Prior to the discovery of extrasolar planets, planetary systems were generally predicted to be similar to the Solar System - giant planets orbiting beyond 4 Earth-Sun distances in circular orbits, and terrestrial mass planets in inner orbits. The danger of using theoretical ideas to extrapolate from just one example - our own Solar System - has been shown by the extrasolar planetary systems now known to exist which have very different properties. Planetary systems are much more diverse than ever imagined.

However these new planets have only been found around one-tenth of stars where they were looked for. It is possible that the harder-to-find very Solar System-like planets do exist around most stars.

The vast majority of the presently known extrasolar planets lie in elliptical orbits, which would preclude the existence of habitable terrestrial planets. Previously, the only gas giant found to orbit beyond 3 Earth-Sun distances in a near circular orbit was the outer planet of the 47 Ursa Majoris system - a system which also includes an inner gas giant at 2 Earth-Sun distances (unlike the Solar System). This discovery of a 3.3 Earth-Sun distance planet in a near circular orbit around a Sun-like star bears the closest likeness to our Solar System found to date and demonstrates our searches are precise enough to find Jupiter- like planets in Jupiter-like orbit.

To find evidence of planets, the astronomers use a high- precision technique developed by Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institute of Washington and Geoff Marcy of the University of California at Berkeley to measure how much a star "wobbles" in space as it is affected by a planet's gravity. As an unseen planet orbits a distant star, the gravitational pull causes the star to move back and forth in space. That wobble can be detected by the 'Doppler shifting' it causes in the star's light. This discovery demonstrates that the long term precision of the team's technique is 3 metres per second (7mph) making the Anglo-Australian Planet Search at least as precise as any of the many planet search projects underway.


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To: Prodigal Son
This connection, I would reckon, is pure speculation.

It's not speculation, it's a tool for visualizing a vast array of objects and conditions according to apparent complexity and organization. An organic rather than statistical approach to organizing our facts.

121 posted on 07/03/2003 4:35:35 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: RightWhale
, it's a tool for visualizing a vast array of objects and conditions according to apparent complexity and organization

Biology? Or astrophysics?

122 posted on 07/03/2003 4:37:36 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: RightWhale
I agree, but it wasn't me that threw it off the path.

Back on the subject. Isn't there a theory about how everything just happens to be "just right" for life on Earth and how that portends the possibility elsewhere is highly improbable? I forget the name of it.
123 posted on 07/03/2003 4:39:06 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: Tac12
I think you messed up some zeros.

Much ado about nothing.

124 posted on 07/03/2003 4:44:24 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: ALS
Yeah, it's called the "mud puddle wondering about the fact that the hole in the ground has just the right shape for it to fit in".
125 posted on 07/03/2003 4:48:12 PM PDT by BMCDA (The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice versa. - R. A. Heinlein)
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To: BMCDA
You sound familiar with it. Please tell us more.
126 posted on 07/03/2003 4:48:47 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: ALS
Back on the subject. Isn't there a theory about how everything just happens to be "just right" for life on Earth and how that portends the possibility elsewhere is highly improbable? I forget the name of it.

"You see, there's no question whether Post Grape Nuts cereal is right for you. It's whether you're right for Grape Nuts." --Wilford Brimley

127 posted on 07/03/2003 4:49:08 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Prodigal Son
It's the 4th of July here. Happy Independence Day everybody! I'm off to bed.
128 posted on 07/03/2003 4:49:41 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: ALS
"Rare Earth," by Ward and Brownlee is a pretty good book laying that hypothesis out for our consideration.

The most likely result for this new planetary system is that it will have planets but one condition or another won't be met, so higher life such as animals and plants won't be found. Microbial life, though, being of lower complexity and lesser organization doesn't need such tight conditions and could well be found there, and found at a lot of places all over the galaxy and beyond.

129 posted on 07/03/2003 4:50:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: Slicksadick
oopsie 5,865,696,000,000

,,, that's miles or the national debt?

130 posted on 07/03/2003 4:51:29 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Physicist
Who asked for insults? I asked a valid question. I'm not promoting it. If you know the answer then spit it out. Save your insults for that morning shave in front of the mirror.
131 posted on 07/03/2003 4:52:29 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: RightWhale
"Rare Earth"

Thanks, but stating that life is all over the universe without a snitch of evidence is a bit out there.
I'll wait for the evidence.
132 posted on 07/03/2003 4:53:32 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: Normal4me; RightWhale; demlosers; Prof Engineer; BlazingArizona; ThreePuttinDude; Brett66; ...
Space Ping! This is the space ping list! Let me know if you want on or off this list!
133 posted on 07/03/2003 4:54:42 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: ALS
without a snitch of evidence is a bit out there.

Yes, it would be "out there" without a snitch of evidence. The "snitch" of evidence is right here on Earth. Whether that constitutes enough evidence or not is another matter. But it certainly constitutes a "snitch" of evidence.

134 posted on 07/03/2003 4:57:31 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: longshadow
I remember seeing something on the Discovery Science channel is that if there is a jupiter like planet chances are that there is a Earth like planet, is that the gas giants tend to act as shields say from killer asteriods (like Jupiter did in 1994 with Shoemaker Levy comet. We would not be here if the comet hit this planet.), or sometimes it could kill a planet depending on the orbit.
135 posted on 07/03/2003 4:58:02 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Prodigal Son
Here is not there. You simply assume.
Shall we assume Gillgan's Island is played on TV sets universe wide as well?
136 posted on 07/03/2003 4:59:11 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: Prodigal Son
Biology? Or astrophysics?

All the way from quarks to galactic clusters [size,] and from large molecules and viruses to advanced social organization [complexity,] and the Big Bang to present [time.] Or any other dimensions you like, and extend the dimensions as much as necessary if you want to start before large molecules or quarks, or continue after galactic clusters or think the world might not end momentarily.

137 posted on 07/03/2003 4:59:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: ALS
I assume nothing. You're there aren't you? I am too. This is no assumption.
138 posted on 07/03/2003 5:00:23 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: ALS
We might expect to find microbial life everywhere, or we might not. We won't know anything until we get out there and take a look, so we better get moving. Daylight's burning.
139 posted on 07/03/2003 5:01:30 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: Prodigal Son
The best life on earth can prove is life on earth.

It is not evidence there is life elsewhere. There could be life elsewhere, but life here is not evidence of life elsewhere.

ergo - to assume otherwise is simply that, an assumption/speculation.
140 posted on 07/03/2003 5:03:10 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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