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Border Patrol Continues to Fight Flux of Illegal Immigrants
Fox News ^ | 7/02/2003 | Fox News.COM

Posted on 07/02/2003 5:22:03 PM PDT by xrp

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:36:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: immigrantlist; immigrants; invasion; mexico; welfare
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To: DoughtyOne
You're always playing the victim to Mexico, DO.
Mexico can issue any card they damn well please.
US States accept it.

Take it to the Supreme Court.
The Feds agree with your opinion. Hanging this issue on Bush makes you look silly.

101 posted on 07/02/2003 11:12:22 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: DoughtyOne
I'll ask it of you again until you answer. What part of, "Funding for these additional permanent positions was provided in the fiscal year 2003 budget passed by Congress" don't you get?

Right back at you RudeOne....

102 posted on 07/02/2003 11:13:24 PM PDT by FreeReign (V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
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To: PRND21
The 9/11 terrorists crossed the Canadian border. Knock off the B.S.

Please look into your crystal ball and tell us which border, Mexico or Canada, the terrorists who'll carry out the next major attack against the United States will cross over.

103 posted on 07/02/2003 11:14:17 PM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: sonofron
whoops, wrong thread.
104 posted on 07/02/2003 11:15:50 PM PDT by sonofron
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To: judgeandjury
Please look into your crystal ball and tell us which border, Mexico or Canada, the terrorists who'll carry out the next major attack against the United States will cross over.

Ask Tancredo...I don't rely on predictions and fear mongering.

9/11 Repeat Would be Fault of Bush, Congress, GOP Lawmaker Charges (Says Tom Tancredo)

105 posted on 07/02/2003 11:19:21 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: xrp
Opening up 375 positions on the northern border is a good move by the Border Patrol. If they had not done this, there would be 375 more people leaving the service. It's a good way to stem the attrition rate. Despite being on they northern border the can still apprehend Mexicans.
106 posted on 07/02/2003 11:27:31 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: FreeReign
You are right about the 1/2 vs doubling. So pass the ketchup, the crow doesn't go down well without it. I appologize on that point. Now, please provide the quote where it states the southern border crew is increasing. Don't tell me about airports and after the fact inforcement. I want to know about the 375 agents and who will replace them 'on the border'. I'll be waiting.
107 posted on 07/02/2003 11:31:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: FreeReign
I think the definitive answer on this legitimate confusion can be found further down in the CBP press release;

[CBP Press release]: Funding for these additional permanent positions was provided in the fiscal year 2003 budget passed by Congress.

New funding had to be provided for these new permanent positions. If these positions were being transfered, then no new funding would be needed.

The bottom line is -- 375 existing employees will fill 375 new positions and 375 new hires will then fill the 375 vacated, existing positions.
 

Where are you referencing this from?

108 posted on 07/02/2003 11:43:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
You are right about the 1/2 vs doubling. So pass the ketchup, the crow doesn't go down well without it. I appologize on that point. Now, please provide the quote where it states the southern border crew is increasing. Don't tell me about airports and after the fact inforcement. I want to know about the 375 agents and who will replace them 'on the border'. I'll be waiting.

The press release was at http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/. The site is currently down -- it last worked several hours back. I suggest if it doesn't work tonight, then try it tomorrow morning and then ping me if you feel like having a normal conversation about it.

The wording in the press release does not specifically use the word "replace". Instead it only uses the quote that I previously supplied to you which is as follows; "Funding for these additional permanent positions was provided in the fiscal year 2003 budget passed by Congress".

I can't guarantee that the workers will be replaced. Instead, I can only use the best reasonable interpretation of the quote I gave to you above plus the fact that there is nothing written in the press release that says that they won't be replaced.

It all comes down the the best reasonable interpretation of the quote I gave you...or possibly we can email them to get a les ambigious statemnt on if there will be replacements or not.

109 posted on 07/02/2003 11:49:51 PM PDT by FreeReign (V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
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To: PRND21
You're always playing the victim to Mexico, DO.

You know what, PRND21, this is an issue I've had to deal with for the last twenty years.  I know you have too, so stop the B.S.  You know it's a problem and you also know we shouldn't be quasi legitimizing these people by recognizing their foreign docments.  Bush could stop it in five minutes if he wished to.

Mexico can issue any card they damn well please.

Yep they sure can.  And do we have to acknowledge it?  Do we have to okay banks using it.  Do we have any tools we can use to prevent that?  You bet your ass.

US States accept it.

Oh really.  Thanks.

Take it to the Supreme Court.

I don't have to.  We have a President of the United States who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, and that includes Section IV Article IV.  Section IV Article IV doesn't make any references to granting amnesty to invaders.

The Feds agree with your opinion. Hanging this issue on Bush makes you look silly.

Yes, I guess expecting George to honor his oath is rather silly isn't it.  Well at least in your mind it does.
 
 

110 posted on 07/02/2003 11:51:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
I think the definitive answer on this legitimate confusion can be found further down in the CBP press release; [CBP Press release]: Funding for these additional permanent positions was provided in the fiscal year 2003 budget passed by Congress. New funding had to be provided for these new permanent positions. If these positions were being transfered, then no new funding would be needed. The bottom line is -- 375 existing employees will fill 375 new positions and 375 new hires will then fill the 375 vacated, existing positions.

Where are you referencing this from?

Yes!

111 posted on 07/02/2003 11:52:11 PM PDT by FreeReign (V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
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To: xrp
1) It's not the votes. it's low wages generates corporate donations

2) Canada is laxing drug laws so there is money to be had in catching them too

Turf interruptus????

112 posted on 07/02/2003 11:54:27 PM PDT by lotus
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To: FreeReign
Look, I'll accept your version of this.  I'm damned pissed off about this situation and I have good reason to be.

In 2000 we had 11,000,000 illegal immigrants in this nation, conservatively.  Since we finalized the granting of amnesty in the 1989 time frame, we have had at least one million a year new illegals flood across our borders.  In the eight years Bush will be in office, there will be around another eight to ten million enter our nation.  That will be roughly twenty million illegals.  Of those twenty million illegals, there will be perhaps as many as 8 million women of child bearing age.  They are not going to be celebate, so we're talking about an additional five to ten million children from this group, conservativly.

By 2010 we're talking about between 20 and 30 million illegal immigrants existing on our soil.  By comparison California only has 35 million or so occupants.

While you and I sit here going toe to toe, our nation is being overrun by illegal aliens.

Right now we're catching between ten and twenty percent of the people coming across the southern border.  We catch hundreds of thousands of them each year.  Nobody has any idea how many are actually coming in.  It could be double what we think it is.  Who knows?

Thanks for the discussion. As it appears you may be right and I have said I will go by your comments and clipping, I appologize.

113 posted on 07/03/2003 12:03:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
...I appologize.

Appology excepted -- thanks.

BTW, I was a Buchanan supporter back in 1992 when he ran well but lost in the N.H. primary. That, IMO was our last shot. The barn door has been wide open for years and I've become more fatalistic about it.

114 posted on 07/03/2003 12:12:36 AM PDT by FreeReign (V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
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To: FreeReign
I actually thought we might be going somewhere in 96, but being called Hitler didn't seem to give him much traction. I've had little use for Republicans since.
115 posted on 07/03/2003 12:17:18 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: HiJinx; JackelopeBreeder
I've heard reports of this new kind of immigrant, but the ones I've heard about are coming from Central America instead of Mexico.

JB, does the BP know about this route?

116 posted on 07/03/2003 5:34:52 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
Yes, the Border Patrol knows all about it and works it constantly. Most using this trail seem to be Mexican based on the the lost or abandoned documents found.

There is another area northeast of there that the BP agents refer to as OTM alley. Other Than Mexican.
117 posted on 07/03/2003 7:21:21 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: PRND21
Ask Tancredo...I don't rely on predictions and fear mongering.

Did you follow the Mexican elections and see the serious turn to the Left they just took??? Some conservatives aren't they!!! They're headed Communist. Thank Fox!

118 posted on 07/07/2003 3:19:57 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Thank Fox!

Stupid comment. The Socialist Machine in Mexico hindered his every move.
He (and the Right) failed and you seem pleased.

You and others here on FR got what you wanted...more PRI.
Enjoy the increase in illegals.

119 posted on 07/07/2003 9:59:30 PM PDT by PRND21
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