Gay Marriage Poll

CNN/ USA poll ^ | June 27-29, 2003 | CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll

[VRWC_minion]

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. June 27-29, 2003. N=1,003 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
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"Do you think marriages between homosexuals should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?"
		Should Be Valid	Should Not Be	No Opinion
		%	%	%
	6/03	39	55	6
	1/00	34	62	4
	2/99	35	62	3
	3/096	27	68	5

 

[VRWC_minion]

But I still don't see how these types of unions will threaten heterosexuals

You are missing that the marriage contract is really a three party contract, not a two party contract. In exchange for recognizing the husband and wife's marriage contract the state puts obligations on the parties to the contract.

If the state opens up this contract to gays, it starts the process of decreased expectations on that contract. The fear is that the marriage contract will loose its meaning over time.

when I first started thinking about this issue, I had the same view you did. But as I projected into the future, the social conservatives are probably right. This will be the start of a trend that isn't good.

Their is a way to circumvent this and its to get ahead of the curve and create a form a marriage separate but economically equal. however that won't happen. The politico's won't take the income hit and eventually the courts will impose this.

[Clint N. Suhks]

How, specifically, does homosexual marriage threaten heterosexual marriage?

It threatens the traditional family unit by giving governmental sanction instead of shame. It’s EXACTLY analogous to the “sexual revolution’s” contribution to the lost stigma and shame of out of wedlock pregnancy and its affect on society. Homosexual marriage will change the culture’s perception of what is the ideal family unit and the mores that come from that tradition by increasing the frequency of this chosen behavior. The more people taught to be homosexual the more chaos it brings to society.

This is all a distraction away from really important issues, IMHO.

What’s more important than family?

[Clint N. Suhks]

It makes sense. In this poll 55% say they shouldn't be married.

Not really, it’s a big leap to go from “immoral” to sanctioning marriage. Seems like there should be some middle ground between the two polls.

[Rudder]

The more people taught to be homosexual the more chaos it brings to society.

You're kidding, right? Do you really believe you can teach someone to become homosexual? I'll bet you one trillion dollars you, or anyone else, cannot teach me, or any other heterosexual, to become homosexual.

While homsexuality may be immoral and a biological disaster it is not contagious.

[AntiGuv]

Not really, it’s a big leap to go from “immoral” to sanctioning marriage. Seems like there should be some middle ground between the two polls.

The Quinnipiac University poll is irrelevant because it only polled Pennsylvania voters. For some strange reason, the Quinnipiac poll has been quoted on FR over & over as if it were a nationwide poll of all adults.....

[DAnconia55]

Fags doom nations. Several thousand years of history has taught us this

Some of us don't read history books written by the 700 Club. Imagine that!

[DAnconia55]

I don't feel comfortable about it, but sometimes it would be better if we leave the Boston to Washington DC corridor and the extreme "left coast" (LA to Frisco) to the liberals and libertines and just break away with the rest. I think Walter Williams is right,

Walter Williams is a libertarian :)

[DAnconia55]

This is sad, the greatest nation in the history of the world is going the way of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Not yet. No 'holy man' has offered up his daughters for gangbang rape by the village.

[Clint N. Suhks]

You're kidding, right? Do you really believe you can teach someone to become homosexual?

Of course. Since it’s a chosen behavior it has to be taught. How do you think so called “bisexuals” find their perversion…because they were born that way?

I'll bet you one trillion dollars you, or anyone else, cannot teach me, or any other heterosexual, to become homosexual.

Not be to prison have you? Pay up please!

biological disaster

Behavioral pathologies are are not biological.

[DAnconia55]

You are missing that the marriage contract is really a three party contract, not a two party contract. In exchange for recognizing the husband and wife's marriage contract the state puts obligations on the parties to the contract.

Hey, I got a novel idea. Let's go back to making marriage entirely a religious ceremony. And get the interfering slave manufacturing government out of the picture...

[Clint N. Suhks]

The Quinnipiac University poll is irrelevant because it only polled Pennsylvania voters.

This one was national, the Santorum poll was just PA.

[VRWC_minion]

Not really, it’s a big leap to go from “immoral” to sanctioning marriage. Seems like there should be some middle ground between the two polls.

I expected the opposite to happen. I expected that eve if it were immoral that the majority would say let them marry. Evidentally there is more going on in the descision process than whether its moral or immoral.

[mict42]

There is something Queer about these poll numbers.

[AntiGuv]

The QU Daily indicates otherwise:

Voters say 58 - 27 percent that homosexual behavior is morally wrong, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. But voters say 45 -- 35 percent that homosexual relations between consenting adults should be legal.

From May 13 - 20, Quinnipiac University surveyed 952 Pennsylvania registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.2 percent. The survey includes 338 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 5.3 percent.

[VRWC_minion]

Do you really believe you can teach someone to become homosexual?

A search I did on google that I did recently has given me pause to accept that it cannot be taught. I searched "age of consent" and about half of the hits were gay sites.

It has cause me to wonder why the age of consent is such an important topic to gays.

[VRWC_minion]

Hey, I got a novel idea. Let's go back to making marriage entirely a religious ceremony.

I too held the same idea once. After further thought I wondered why such a concept as a 3 way contract where ths state is a party came about. There had to be practical reasons.

Then I saw that the state has a vested interest in many aspects of the marriage contract which include the children's welfare and a dependent spouse.

If we remove from marriage the obligations imposed upon the spouses, the state will be forced to accept these obligations. In addition to the huge financial cost the social costs will be extensive.

[AntiGuv]

It has cause me to wonder why the age of consent is such an important topic to gays.

I can answer this for you. Because in many states and/or nations, the age of consent laws have been different for opposite-sex & same-sex relations. It's considered another form of antigay discrimination & is a high priority at least amongst international activists (especially since many nations which have long-since repealed sodomy laws still have disparate age-of-consent laws - usually 21 for same-sex & 16 for opposite-sex - as their only remaining discriminatory statute, aside from marriage).

[VRWC_minion]

Why the need to find out if one can have sex with anyone udner 18 if not for recruiting ?

[AntiGuv]

If age of consent laws were set at 21 years for opposite-sex relations, do you not think that straights would protest?? In fact, since you bring that up, in many cases where age-of-consent has been lowered from 21 to 18 for same-sex relations, even though opposite-sex relations are 16 or lower (such as happened in Britain), this took much momentum out of the reform movement.

As you surely are aware, the ultimate objective of the gay activist movement is to achieve a vision where not a single discriminatory statute exists anywhere that distinguishes on the basis of sexuality. This is another dimension of that. The contention has been that age-of-consent laws should set a uniform age-of-consent without regard or remark to the sex of the couple.

[VRWC_minion]

I think you are being disingenious.

18 is the age of majority in all states. Why is it so important for gays to lower the ages to 14 in some states.

I would agree with you if their mission was to cause the age of consent to be raised for opposite sex sex.

Quite frankly, I think its disgusting for anyone a8 or above, same sex or not, to desire sex with someone under 18.

so, it gives me pause. What is the real motive. Aren't there enough adult partners to choose from or does havign sex with a minor bring some special excitement ?