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Time to Part Company
WorldNet Daily | 9/13/2000 | Dr. Walter E. Williams

Posted on 06/30/2003 6:03:55 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty

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Texas secession - It's time to part company

Government Opinion (Published) Keywords: SECESSION TEXAS LOUISANA
Source: WorldNetDaily
Published: 09/13/2000 Author: Walter Williams
Posted on 09/13/2000 11:45:49 PDT by cbkaty

It's time to part company

One political question we have to answer is whether George W. Bush or Albert Gore shall be president, and just which party will control the House of Representatives and the Senate. But I'd suggest that there's a far more important long-run question we must answer: If one group of people prefers government control and management of people's lives, and another prefers liberty and a desire to be left alone, should they be required to fight, antagonize one another, and risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences, or should they be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways?

Like a marriage that has gone bad, I believe there are enough irreconcilable differences between those who want to control and those want to be left alone that divorce is the only peaceable alternative. Just as in a marriage, where vows are broken, our human rights protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.

Let's look at just some of the magnitude of the violations. Article 1, Section 8 of our Constitution enumerates the activities for which Congress is authorized to tax and spend. James Madison, the acknowledged father of the Constitution, explained it in The Federalist Papers: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."

Nowhere among the enumerated powers of Congress is there authority to tax and spend for: Social Security, public education, farm subsidies, bank bailouts, food stamps and other activities that represent roughly two-thirds of the federal budget. Neither is there authority for Congress' mandates to the states and people about how they may use their land, the speed at which they can drive, whether a library has wheelchair ramps and the gallons of water used per toilet flush. A list of congressional violations of the letter and spirit of the Constitution is virtually without end.

Americans who wish to live free have two options: We can resist, fight and risk bloodshed to force America's tyrants to respect our liberties and human rights, or we can seek a peaceful resolution of our irreconcilable differences by separating. That can be done by peopling several states, say Texas and Louisiana, controlling their legislatures and then issuing a unilateral declaration of independence just as the Founders did in 1776.

You say, "Williams, nobody has to go that far, just get involved in the political process and vote for the right person." That's nonsense. Liberty shouldn't require a vote. It's a God-given or natural right.

Some independence or secessionists movements, such as our 1776 war with England and our 1861 War Between the States, have been violent, but they need not be. In 1905, Norway seceded from Sweden, Panama seceded from Columbia (1903), and West Virginia from Virginia (1863). Nonetheless, violent secession can lead to great friendships. England is probably our greatest ally and we have fought three major wars together. There is no reason why Texiana (Texas and Louisiana) couldn't peaceably secede, be an ally and have strong economic ties with United States.

The bottom line question for all of us is should we part company or continue trying to forcibly impose our wills on one another?

WorldNetDaily contributor Walter E. Williams is the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va.


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KEYWORDS: rot; secession; sucession; walterwilliams
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As you can see, this was posted on FR on 9/13/2000, but given the events of last week, I think we need to revisit this.
1 posted on 06/30/2003 6:03:55 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty
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To: B.O. Plenty
If a lot of the other state's populations can't kick their nanny government addictions, it may be necessary.
2 posted on 06/30/2003 6:07:05 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: B.O. Plenty
This caught my eye 2 years ago, and the concept has intrigued me ever since. See also The Free State Project's website.
3 posted on 06/30/2003 6:08:09 PM PDT by condi2008 (Pro Libertate)
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To: sweetliberty
Ping.
4 posted on 06/30/2003 6:09:28 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: B.O. Plenty
There is no reason why Texiana (Texas and Louisiana) couldn't peaceably secede, be an ally and have strong economic ties with United States.

Secession might not even be necessary. IIRC, The Republic of Texas' ageement to join the U.S. as a state included the right for Texas -- at any time -- to split itself into (as many as) five (5) States. Think of the possibilities with ten (10) senators!

5 posted on 06/30/2003 6:17:05 PM PDT by TXnMA (No Longer!!!.)
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To: B.O. Plenty
Williams is just playing games with logic.

Abraham Lincoln set the rule that a state can't leave the USA with out a war. West Va left the Confederacy to rejoin the USA in 1863... Obviously that was not a problem for the USA.

And it was determined shortly after 1800 that the constitution is what ever the Supreme Court Justices say it is.

How many times does the Supreme Court have to rule in direct oppostion to the clear meaning of the words in the constitution before Williams and others figure out that the Constitution is not the Supreme Law of the land. The Supreme law of this land is what ever 5 of the nine Supreme court justices say it is.

Time after time people bring cases that go to the surpreme court based on what the constitution says in the matter. As we have learned once again that is a dumb thing to do. If one wants to predict the outcome of a Supreme Court Case one should never ask what the law or Constitution says. Those Documents are worhtless predictors. The only question is are their 5 votes on the court to support a case. If there are not it does not matter what the constitution says. It matters what the judges say.

6 posted on 06/30/2003 6:30:48 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: B.O. Plenty
: If one group of people prefers government control
and management of people's lives, and another prefers
 liberty and a desire to be left alone,

The good news is that the Supreme Court decision
getting government out of the American bedroom is
right in line with rejection of government control and
management of people's lives.  There is no need to
secede, Texas is where she needs to be.

The bad news is that too many conservatives
disagree with this.
7 posted on 06/30/2003 6:34:51 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Common Tator

Sigh. These are the times that try men's souls, aren't they? Here we are, thinking we're finally making some progress... got the White House, both houses of Congress... got the Democrats on the run... even got the media on the run.

And then Boom-Pow-Splat we get a huge new entitlement bill that Lyndon Johnson would be proud of — and that Ted Kennedy is proud of — and a Supreme Court that can't tell the difference between "I have a dream" and "You owe me."

The Medicare bill has me feeling like I'm reading lips all over again. I knew the guy wasn't Barry Goldwater, but...

As for the Supremes, they have sentenced us to another hundred years of this sh*t. Damn them.

Not a good week, my friend.


8 posted on 06/30/2003 6:45:58 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: gcruse
The good news is that the Supreme Court decision getting government out of the American bedroom is right in line with rejection of government control and management of people's lives.

It establishes the federal government's right to say what is allowed, which it has no power to do. It reenforces the intrusion of big brother rather than eliminate it. It just says that it must be the biggest brother rather than the next biggest. The tenth amendment says that the rights not enumerated are left to the states or the people. These rights were not enumerated so they are left to the states or the people whether they use them well or not.

9 posted on 06/30/2003 6:47:12 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Nick Danger
"Not a good week, my friend."

Man, you can say THAT again! And what about the filibuster(s)! Being majority means WHAT, exactly?

10 posted on 06/30/2003 6:51:54 PM PDT by No!
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To: B.O. Plenty
Heck we better leave before the Mexicans do it first and we become Azatlan, lol.
11 posted on 06/30/2003 6:55:35 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The Tenth Amendment is a dead letter. Let me know
when DOJ stops overruling state law and busting whore houses
in New Orleans. Then we can talk tenth amendment.

In the meantime, realize that among the components of sodomy
is heterosexual oral sex. Laws preventing this were rendered inoperative alongside the rest. We are freer today than before the court ruled. Any one wanting this to go the other way has
a morbid fascination with the sex lives of others that needs
scrubbing out.
12 posted on 06/30/2003 6:55:48 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: gcruse
In the meantime, realize that among the components of sodomy is heterosexual oral sex.

Good point. I cannot, however, remember the last time I was pulled over for being a cunning linguist.
13 posted on 06/30/2003 7:01:53 PM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: gcruse
Just like Scalia and Thomas, I am not arguing the merit of the sodomy laws, nor any other law that concerns bedroom activity including adultery (no exemption for incest or underage, though), I am simply saying that if the 10th amendment is a dead letter, as you say, this is one more nail in the coffin. We need not acquiesce to it.
14 posted on 06/30/2003 7:02:30 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: AdA$tra
LOL
15 posted on 06/30/2003 7:04:25 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I agree completely. While I see the Lawrence decision as being an increase in individual freedom, seeing the fedguv trample states rights is dismaying. However, to think this episode merits secession, when the Tenth has been raped and pillaged for the last fifty years, if not the last 120, suggests there
is more heat than light in the objections to it.
16 posted on 06/30/2003 7:08:14 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: gcruse; Cathryn Crawford
Well, I'm hoping that this time y'all will listen to the advice that Sam Houston tried to give ya the last time we heard talk like this. ;-)
17 posted on 06/30/2003 7:14:25 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Summertime!)
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To: B.O. Plenty
Let's look at just some of the magnitude of the violations. Article 1, Section 8 of our Constitution enumerates the activities for which Congress is authorized to tax and spend. James Madison, the acknowledged father of the Constitution, explained it in The Federalist Papers: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."

Very good. Now factor in the 14th Amendment...something that wasn't around when Madison was alive:

"...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

The 14th changed the terms of the debate from what the founders first thought of things.
18 posted on 06/30/2003 7:16:06 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: No!
It means the republicans have finally run out of excuses and are shown to be exactly what they are---democrats of a slower moving nature.
19 posted on 06/30/2003 7:18:11 PM PDT by Founding Father
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To: BikerNYC
Assuming the 14th amendment was actually ratified---but we better not go there.
20 posted on 06/30/2003 7:20:20 PM PDT by Founding Father
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