Posted on 06/30/2003 6:14:58 AM PDT by shortstop
I think we need to kill more of them.
Iraqis. And the Arab interlopers. And the Iranian provocateurs.
We need to kill more of them.
Because, right now, we’re down on points. Since the end of major hostilities, we’ve been getting our butts kicked in minor hostilities.
Sixty Americans dead since we pulled down the statues and hardly a day passes that more names aren’t added to that tally.
And it’s got to stop.
It’s time to remember that we’re in a war and that in a war you’re supposed to kill them and not let them kill you. It seems like our commanders and statisticians have forgotten that. And they better remember.
Or we better be glad Muslims don’t celebrate Tet.
Because it’s about gotten to the point we should start calling these guys “Charlie” and bombing Cambodia. I’m too young to really remember Vietnam, but this sure smells a lot like what I’ve seen on the History Channel.
True fact: America wins wars and loses police actions.
So we should stop trying to be Officer Friendly.
We should pound these people into the dust. We should stop being polite and start being effective. If you’re going to put Americans in a war zone, you’ve got to let them fight. And it’s better to kill 1,000 Iraqis than it is to lose a single American.
Yes, I mean that.
And so should you.
Because every single American GI is precious and priceless. We will die for our country, but we won’t die for stupidity. And putting fresh American meat out there every day for these Jihad boys to gun down comes pretty close to stupidity.
Those men wear our uniform, but we don’t own them. We’re just borrowing them. From mother and fathers and wives and children. And we’ve got to give them back. The problem is right now we’re sending too many of them home in a box.
And nobody’s noticing or caring. It’s already slipped into the background of life. Another day, another one or two, another day, this time they got three. And there are broken hearts and lives back home that we politely ignore.
Well, that’s got to stop.
Because we must keep faith with the men and women in our armed forces. And that means we must do everything possible to keep them alive.
Everything.
If a neighborhood or city is too violent to be safely patrolled by a Humvee, then send in a Bradley. And if a Bradley isn’t safe, then send in an Abrams.
And if that doesn’t work, send in a B-52.
Every village that kills an American should be marked by a crater. A smoldering crater.
If crowds or protesters get belligerent, hose them down with tear gas. If crowds or protesters get violent, hose them down with an M-60.
That’s a machine gun, by the way. It makes bad people stop being bad. Typically they lie down and bloat in the hot summer sun.
The problem is that, amazingly, these people don’t respect or fear us. They have contempt for us. They think we are spineless. And I’m not sure they’re wrong.
Not our troops on the ground, but some of their commanders, and the muckity-mucks watching on TV back at HQ. I think they’re more worried about international PR than they are about keeping Americans alive.
Which is nuts and treasonous.
If an American is killed by a sniper, then immediately level the surrounding area. This isn’t an American crime scene, it is a foreign war zone. If you’re not sure which building he’s hiding in, level them all. You don’t have to read anybody their rights, you just have to kill them. If a grenade comes out of a crowd, kill the crowd.
If two of your soldiers “disappear,” you don’t take three suspects into custody for questioning – as we did at the end of last week. You shoot the three guys, tie a rope around their ankles and run their bodies up a flag pole. It sends a message.
And the message we better get is that we are dealing with a different and brutal culture which sees our sense of fair play and civilization as contemptible weaknesses inviting attack and scorn. Some Iraqis, undoubtedly, are wonderful people deserving of our best treatment. Some of them, however, along with the roving bands of Arab terrorists and Iranian agents, deserve a .45 right between the eyes. And we better give it to them.
Before they give it to us.
We must also remember that this is a society which for almost two generations has been ruled through terror and violence. They are used to a firm hand. We must use a firm hand against those who threaten or attack us, and the communities which protect them.
We need to get hard, or we’re going to get hurt. And that’s not acceptable.
The key to winning a war is to kill more of them than they kill of you.
And by that measure, we’ve had a very bad couple of months.
It’s time to take the gloves off. It’s time to let the fighters fight.
You are a scary poster.
Carpet bombing kills civilians. It didn't do much of anything in the past, wars are won by holding territory.
My guess is that our problem in Iraq is very similar to Russia's problem in Chechnya - - - Wabbahism! These Muslim extremists are coming out of Saudi, funded by Saudi money and their purpose in life is to kill the infidel.
Add the Wabbahis to the Bathhists and the Shia provocateurs from Iran....and you got a reciepe for chaos.
I think we may have to turn the Kurds loose.....but thats got its own set of problems. The only solution may be to let a civil war happen, and quietly back the good (better?) guys. Then we won't get blamed (as blamed?) for the fallout. Then we don't
Not to me. What scares me is "conservatives" acting like fascists, and not being called on it because of "patriotism".
We will win in Iraq by following two tracks. The first is to relentlessly track down and kill or capture every Arab-volunteer, every Baathist hold-out, or anyone else that fights against us. The second track is to build back up the fundamentals of Iraqi society--a safe & secure environment, functioning infrastructure, representative government, and get their oil exports going to crank up their economy. The two track support each other.
I'm glad a lot of you guys advocating killing "families" & civilians aren't in charge--first, you'd go to jail and second, you'd get a lot of good American soldiers killed as they deal with the fall-out of such idiotic decisions.
Saddam was terrorizing people for decades, mostly his own. But never had a problem using the money he stole to foment trouble anywhere he could. Which so far is no credible proof whatsoever of links to the attack on the US.
If you have some proof of a definite strategic partnership between the two, you are a first. Our own government hasn't been able to.
Exactly. Although more like communists than fascists. In any event I was amazed at those advocating immoral, illegal conduct that is also ultimately stupid. The blowback from such conduct will hurt us more than anythig we could ever gain.
I was just pointing out that carpet bombing kills civilians to the guy who advocated carpet bombing. Whether killing them is good or bad depends on the context and in this case you are right it would be the wrong thing to do.
I agree. I'd rather leave the mop-up to the thousands of specialists woring on tactics than a talk show host. No offense to Lonsberry, and I share his frustrations, but let's give this a little time before we start criticizing.
I guess I must be a patriot then because it seems that lately almost every position I hold is at odds with the many of the "conservatives" on this forum. And I've never been shy about taking the opposite side of the popular opinions when my principles were being trashed.
There are well known links & indicators of some type of collaboration between Iraq & Al Qaeda, but the justification for the attack on Iraq was not hung on Al Qaeda, but on the nexus between Hussein's WMD programs, his hostility to the US, his unpredictability and willingness to use force (including WMD) in the past, and his unquestionable cooperation with terrorism in the past.
A non-answer.
but on the nexus between Hussein's WMD programs,
The ones which have yet to be found? Those weapons?
his hostility to the US,
Most of the world is hostile to us, shall we attack them all?
his unpredictability and willingness to use force (including WMD) in the past,
He was entirely predictable.
and his unquestionable cooperation with terrorism in the past.
Which terrorism? Proof of terrorism against us please.
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