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Posted on 06/30/2003 6:14:58 AM PDT by shortstop
I think we need to kill more of them.
Iraqis. And the Arab interlopers. And the Iranian provocateurs.
We need to kill more of them.
Because, right now, we’re down on points. Since the end of major hostilities, we’ve been getting our butts kicked in minor hostilities.
Sixty Americans dead since we pulled down the statues and hardly a day passes that more names aren’t added to that tally.
And it’s got to stop.
It’s time to remember that we’re in a war and that in a war you’re supposed to kill them and not let them kill you. It seems like our commanders and statisticians have forgotten that. And they better remember.
Or we better be glad Muslims don’t celebrate Tet.
Because it’s about gotten to the point we should start calling these guys “Charlie” and bombing Cambodia. I’m too young to really remember Vietnam, but this sure smells a lot like what I’ve seen on the History Channel.
True fact: America wins wars and loses police actions.
So we should stop trying to be Officer Friendly.
We should pound these people into the dust. We should stop being polite and start being effective. If you’re going to put Americans in a war zone, you’ve got to let them fight. And it’s better to kill 1,000 Iraqis than it is to lose a single American.
Yes, I mean that.
And so should you.
Because every single American GI is precious and priceless. We will die for our country, but we won’t die for stupidity. And putting fresh American meat out there every day for these Jihad boys to gun down comes pretty close to stupidity.
Those men wear our uniform, but we don’t own them. We’re just borrowing them. From mother and fathers and wives and children. And we’ve got to give them back. The problem is right now we’re sending too many of them home in a box.
And nobody’s noticing or caring. It’s already slipped into the background of life. Another day, another one or two, another day, this time they got three. And there are broken hearts and lives back home that we politely ignore.
Well, that’s got to stop.
Because we must keep faith with the men and women in our armed forces. And that means we must do everything possible to keep them alive.
Everything.
If a neighborhood or city is too violent to be safely patrolled by a Humvee, then send in a Bradley. And if a Bradley isn’t safe, then send in an Abrams.
And if that doesn’t work, send in a B-52.
Every village that kills an American should be marked by a crater. A smoldering crater.
If crowds or protesters get belligerent, hose them down with tear gas. If crowds or protesters get violent, hose them down with an M-60.
That’s a machine gun, by the way. It makes bad people stop being bad. Typically they lie down and bloat in the hot summer sun.
The problem is that, amazingly, these people don’t respect or fear us. They have contempt for us. They think we are spineless. And I’m not sure they’re wrong.
Not our troops on the ground, but some of their commanders, and the muckity-mucks watching on TV back at HQ. I think they’re more worried about international PR than they are about keeping Americans alive.
Which is nuts and treasonous.
If an American is killed by a sniper, then immediately level the surrounding area. This isn’t an American crime scene, it is a foreign war zone. If you’re not sure which building he’s hiding in, level them all. You don’t have to read anybody their rights, you just have to kill them. If a grenade comes out of a crowd, kill the crowd.
If two of your soldiers “disappear,” you don’t take three suspects into custody for questioning – as we did at the end of last week. You shoot the three guys, tie a rope around their ankles and run their bodies up a flag pole. It sends a message.
And the message we better get is that we are dealing with a different and brutal culture which sees our sense of fair play and civilization as contemptible weaknesses inviting attack and scorn. Some Iraqis, undoubtedly, are wonderful people deserving of our best treatment. Some of them, however, along with the roving bands of Arab terrorists and Iranian agents, deserve a .45 right between the eyes. And we better give it to them.
Before they give it to us.
We must also remember that this is a society which for almost two generations has been ruled through terror and violence. They are used to a firm hand. We must use a firm hand against those who threaten or attack us, and the communities which protect them.
We need to get hard, or we’re going to get hurt. And that’s not acceptable.
The key to winning a war is to kill more of them than they kill of you.
And by that measure, we’ve had a very bad couple of months.
It’s time to take the gloves off. It’s time to let the fighters fight.
What makes you think that we had to do it?
Richard W.
I lived in Rochester, NY. A more pompous, arrogantly idiotic person, you will not find. Lonsberry is a blight on Rochester.
Manifest destiny.
Agreed. I saw some lovely ones in Expo. But I must admit, the high-tech shower stall (with built in TV and radio!!!) was the most impressive.
Really - why do you say that? Unless you're one of those who get confused between "unanimous UN approval" and "compliant with the Geneva Convention" and think the phrases are identical.
It isn't the Ba'ath Party's country any more than Germany belonged to the Nazi Party.
My brother is in country right now and he'll tell you that the average Iraqi isn't afraid to tell him: "Hey, we appreciate the Ba'athists being out of power and I would like our countries to be friends and allies, but the sooner you guys leave the sooner we can start feeling like a normal society." It's a fair comment and taken in good part.
In Mosul, people were actively overjoyed by the presence of US troops, however, and didn't want them to leave.
The average Iraqi isn't interested in putting in the time and effort necessary to assassinate US soldiers. The only ones who are, are the thugs who have the most to lose in a free Iraq.
Agree. In wars past, it was so horrible that the conquered people didn't want a repeat, so they forced change when the shooting stopped. In today's PC wars, we've removed that element. With the exception of a precious few, it's as if a war didn't even take place. They just looked up one day and there we were, policing their streets.
We also need to understand that the vast majority of people there hate our guts, far worse than they hated even Saddam. This was always the glaring flaw in the "liberation of Iraq" silliness. Yes, a small percentage will be glad, those who suffered directly at the hands of Saddam and his minions. But if a genuine, free election were held today, I'll bet a buck to a donut that they'd re-elect him in landslide if he were on the ballot.
MM
The hell it is.
This only works if you kill everyone, without exception. Which doesn't happen. Even carpet bombing only kills a relatively small percentage of the population. Human beings are really pretty tough -- kind of like cockroaches, pigeons, and sea gulls. And what happens if you don't get them all? This is what happens: you kill some guys wife and kids but miss him. He goes and becomes a dedicated anti-American fighter. He kills some of our guys by sniping, eventually he gets killed. We go bomb some more villages, make more guys just like him.
So why don't we just kill everyone, without exception? Because, surprise, we really do want a functioning country with an oil infrastructure that we can use to:
(a) Strategically offset the Saudis when we get around to them.
(b) Act as a territorial base for our military to do ME power projection. This means having a functioning economy where we don't have to ship everything from the good old USA.
Ergo, we can't just kill everyone. And if we don't just kill everyone, then your strategy would cause more problems than it would solve.
Amusement.
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Naw. Attila was someone elses guy. We need our own guy.
Elect me. I will bring the dream to reality.
And I will broadcast the carnage on Pay-per-view TV. :o)
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