Posted on 06/30/2003 4:34:51 AM PDT by randita
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:42:51 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Sacramento -- When the 2000 presidential election melted down in Florida, Democrats were admittedly exhausted, caught off guard and outmaneuvered by Republicans. Now, Democrats are applying the lessons they learned 3,000 miles away to the potential recall of Gov. Gray Davis.
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They're smoking crack! The news media called Florida for Gore even though Gore **never** led in the vote counts, and in fact, they even called Florida for Gore **prior** to the polls in the Western half of the state were closed.
Man I hate it when the Leftists try to re-write history to match their imaginations!
You lost. --- get over it.
The media may have "called it for Gore" at 6:49, but there's another issue -- I'll have to go digging for it, but I'm pretty sure that the media announced that the *polls were closed* in Florida an *hour* before they actually closed in the panhandle.
To make all of this plausible, first the panhandle voters are too stupid to know when their polls close, then 10,000 of them had to wait until the last 15 minutes before the polls closed and then turned around when they heard the news. Then on top of that, it was harder to find anyone in the panhandle who actually admitted to being duped out of voting than it is to find an honest person in Congress.
MonroeDNA has sourced this quite well. I will add this NewsMax article on Bill Sammons book, 'At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election'
You must know that 11 minutes left to go doesn't before the polls close doesn't mean that there are 11 minutes to vote. People in line before 7:00pm are allowed to vote, even if they cast their vote after 7:00pm.
But just to see how plausible 10,000 votes is, I kicked a few numbers around. Lets say the polls were open for 12 hours, 7:00 am to 7:00 pm. This means that they were open for 60 minutes * 12 hours = 720 minutes. This means there were 72 10 minute periods during which the polls were open.
Lets say there were 4 million votes cast in the election.
4,000000 / 72 = 55,555 votes every 10 minutes.
This means that every 10 minute period had to average 55,555 votes across the whole state of Florida. Keeping in mind the panhandle is not the whole state but also more voters will vote during the last 10 minutes than during business hours and that voters already in line are allowed to vote after 7:00 pm, I find the number 10,000 to be quite plausible.
First, from what I saw, the sources were all pollsters that extrapolated their conclusion based on the info they gained in polls. GIGO. In an extremely tight race how many non-voters are going to admit that they wer apathetic? None. It's easier to save face by claiming that they were just about ready to hop in the truck and go to the polls, but dadgummit, the TV said that Gore had already won Florida, so there was no sense even bothering to vote for congress, judges, or other ballot issues.
Second, I have to repeat this, you seem no to know much, if anything, about the panhandle. If there was 10k voters who would have but didn't, why was there not one single interview first or secondhand, with in the area with an aggrieved voter? I never saw/heard/read any. In my business travels and in my political travels I never met or even heard of anyone who even knew of anyone who failed to vote because of the early call.
If you rely on the media (that wasn't there and did their research by remote control) tehn you must also be ready to believe everything else the media said about the recount fiasco. I can tell you, since I was there at the courthouse in Tallahassee (the last of three trips) when the SCOTUS stopped the recounts, that what the media showed and what was happening were two different realities.
I lived there, worked there, and rallied there. Or you can take the words of those that weren't.
I never saw/heard/read any. In my business travels and in my political travels I never met or even heard of anyone who even knew of anyone who failed to vote because of the early call.
Call me crazy but I will take the 5 published sources over the word of an anonymous dork posting on a public Internet Forum saying he spoke to a bunch of people in the Panhandle.
You can't/won't refute what I say so you resort to name calling. I was there, you were not and thanks for admitting defeat. And as far as annonymous, go up thread and find the link regarding the report from Tallahassee.
You have been refuted a multitude of times but you refuse to accept it.
You can not debate with someone who says "I don't believe your sources" but refuses to provide sources of his own. You can not debate with someone stupid enough to believe he can go out and talk to a few people and draw a meaningful and accurate quantitative conclusion from that. This is roughly on par with conducting an election poll by counting campaign signs or bumper stickers.
Defeat? Hardly.
Now we didn't have 10,000 lost or stolen absentee ballots, but we ceratinly had names to put with some that were confirmed.
The 10,000 is an estimation based on annonymos phone polling. Those numbers about as accurate as the number of blacks stopped from voting by police checkpoints. And, yes, those checkpoints existed, I had to go through a couple earlier in the week prior to the election.
But just like the war, believe the media, not the people on the ground and you'll get another Jessica Lynch myth.
You know, you really are a piece of work. You are questioning the polling techniques of the people who came up with the 10,000 voter estimate. But you are using the results of your own informal "Poll" to do so.
That's too funny.
And even funnier is that you expect others to take you seriously.
I've wasted enough time on you.
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