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You really ought to check my comments out more thoroughly. You'd find that my positions on this matter exactly mirror those you are stating here

Oops my apologies. I must have misread. Tired, I suppose.

are probably 20-25 percent who yet think that morality is critical to the condition of a society, and another 10-15 percent who would lean toward that direction

Ah yes. No doubt. But that's not what I'm talking about. How many of them believe it is right for the government to enforce their every whim? I even have a poster here on another thread who doesn't seem to be aware that 'normal' heteroseuxals engage in 'sodomy'. How many of THOSE are there left? The ones who would ban anything, just because it is fun. Not many.

It's time for a realignment.
Social issues are hurting the GOP. Time to get radical with freedom, and lighten up a bit on the social issues.

Make the face of the GOP Steve Forbes, not Pat Robertson.

I even have a poster here on another thread who doesn't seem to be aware that 'normal' heteroseuxals engage in 'sodomy'.

Remember Anita Bryant's anti-gay crusade back in the 70s? She actually gave an interview in which she said that gay sex was like cannibalism because they swallowed sperm. When someone pointed out to her that heterosexuals do a good deal of that too, she tried to insist that while a few warped heterosexuals might do that sort of thing, it was because they'd gotten the idea from gays.

Eh, no problem...we're all a bit weary these days.

The issue is, obviously, not "sodomy" but the matter of the primacy of privacy. If so, then many societal structures come crumbling down. And this will yield great conflict.

This erodes a moral foundation that was critical in the creation of this particular nation. People liken it to slavery, but that's not really so...slavery was, at its heart, an economic issue -- to the South, particularly.

This is different. Economics cries, "live and let live!" Indeed, most people, even those who base their beliefs on morality, do.

But, here, you have an issue ("sodomy") that most would prefer, in all situations, to hold their noses and ignore. And it has been thrust into the limelight as a precedent for all manner of human degradations including drug abuse and prostitution.

This will make trouble. Deep trouble.

The kind of trouble that turns nations, eventually, to civil war and disipation.

That's the only point I was attempting to make.

There is no way that social issues are hurting the GOP. The libertarians may just as well vote Green - mainstream GOPers such as me could not care less. There are far more Demodogs (like my sister) who care deeply about social issues and nevertheless vote for the antisocial Dems than there are libertarians such as yourself. Bringing this issue into sharp focus will help, not hurt, the GOP.

As I said to another poster, the best testimony as to the truth of what I am saying here will be the silence of the Demodog politicians as they hope nobody notices how they vote on this issue. Only those from SanFrisco and such small locales will even make a peep.