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The other day I was talking to my Dad, who as a JP in Vermont is prepared to resign rather than perform a civil union. I asked him a few questions:

Did he think that people being gay were personal decisions or were they "just born that way." He agreed they were born that way.

Did he think they were capable of feeling love in the way that he felt love for his children and his wife. He said they did.

I asked him if he felt they were worthy of transferring wealth and powers to make decisions for each other in times of crisis and sickness. He did.

The problem is not with the concepts of what the governmental perception of "marriage" is; because to the government it is merely a binding contract between two people of legal age.

The problem is with the religious significance of what a "marriage" is. And that is why you will not win this battle. They will "call" it something else. It will be a governmental recognition of a partnership--akin to a corporation or LLC. Those being "bound" will call it "marriage."

Its coming and there ain't nothing any of us can do about it. I for one, dont fear it because no one is trying to turn me gay. I'm not a good enough dresser.
11 posted on 06/29/2003 6:12:09 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt
Its coming and there ain't nothing any of us can do about it.

Oh yeah? Watch and learn. We have not yet begun to fight....
25 posted on 06/29/2003 6:30:01 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Vermont Lt
Did he think that people being gay were personal decisions or were they "just born that way." He agreed they were born that way.

Here all along I thought people were born of free will....it's a dangerous path to start to blame genetics for every deviant behavior there is, besides it just ain't so.

76 posted on 06/29/2003 7:12:18 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Vermont Lt
Did he think that people being gay were personal decisions or were they "just born that way." He agreed they were born that way.

From what I've read, this is much more true for gay men than lesbians. For example, see "The Man Who Would Be Queen" by J. Michael Bailey.

Did he think they were capable of feeling love in the way that he felt love for his children and his wife. He said they did.

This is tricky. There was an old psychiatric cliche to the effect that homosexual men had a problem with intimacy, period, while lesbians had a problem with intimacy with men. These ideas are hopelessly unacceptable in today's PC world, but I suspect that there was something to this.

Ben Bagley, the late, and gay, producer of wonderful record albums of forgotten Broadway songs, wrote something like the following in one of his liner notes:

I've been asked why I am so facinated by love songs. I think it is because I can't love myself.

83 posted on 06/29/2003 7:18:52 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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You and your fawtha miss the point completely of what gay marriage is all about to homo activists, the Constitution and America in general...
93 posted on 06/29/2003 7:25:41 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: Vermont Lt
Its coming and there ain't nothing any of us can do about it.

A man sticking his pecker up another man's anus performs an unhealthy act. We should try to discourage it. Those who do this are not heroes. They may be pited but they should not be honored.

Secondly, I have no problem with transferring health benefits, Social Security, pensions, inheritance tax waivers etc. to a widow because that widow very likely sacrificed herself to perform the most important job in society -- being a mother. I do have a problem with a man removing himself from the labor force so he can play house for another man.

With some of these things -- such as Social Security -- it might be better to change it so the benefits may be willed to whomever. And I certainly think we should get rid of the inheritance tax.

But this is not the status quo and homosexual men should not get any of the privileges of marriage since they can not bear any of the responsibilities.

The only reason for the state to involve itself in marriage is to protect mothers and children.

Marriage might actually be applicable concerning lesbians and artificial insemination. BUT, it should be recognized that this is a contract involving all of society, and those breaking it should expect to feel consequences.

119 posted on 06/29/2003 7:39:30 PM PDT by Tribune7
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Its coming and there ain't nothing any of us can do about it.

That's what they used to tell women if they got raped - if it's inevitable, just lie back and enjoy it. But the better answer is to fight like hell.

121 posted on 06/29/2003 7:39:55 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Vermont Lt
"I for one, dont fear it because no one is trying to turn me gay"

I will presume you are a male freeper.

So to your statement above, I will say that it is only because you are not a young ripe 12 year old starting into puberty.

Therefore the gay and lesbian agenda taught in some schools of "how do you know unless you try it." will not be indoctrinated into your more mature brain.

You also state; "The other day I was talking to my Dad, who as a JP in Vermont is prepared to resign rather than perform a civil union." Then you said you asked him a few questions and in answer to your question, he agreed that he believed gays were born that way etc.

Then why would he resign before preforming the civil ceremony?

137 posted on 06/29/2003 7:47:22 PM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: Vermont Lt
Is homosexuality inborn? We don't know. Maybe it is something that happens to a kid growing up. We don't know. Is it simply a matter of choice? Most likely, like most behavior it is a combination of all three. The question is: Is it right behavior? Someone has to make that decision.

Anyway, religious opinion is not quite as simple as you seem to think. To give you an example, consider a Catholic discussion of the history of the institution.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09693a.htm

149 posted on 06/29/2003 7:53:30 PM PDT by RobbyS
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