I think folks such as Nero, Trajan, and Caligula said the same thing. We shall see. If we don't live long enough, we shall surely see the numbers come in before the throne of Judgment.
For "stomach worshipper," you can see this and this.
You misunderstand freedom, then. Just because I want crack legalized doesn't mean I'm going to run out and smoke it.
Let's legalize the posession and sales of of ricin, C4, anthrax, and plutonium. "Just because I want them leagalzed doesn't mean I'm going to run out and do any harm with them." We have governments in order to behave in societies (cultures, if you don't like the root, "soc"). We have societies/cultures in order to behave by certain standards. (Trust you're with me so far, this is pretty basic. ;-) We either have consistent messages throughout, or we have breakdown and standards are not taken as standards.
You are not my personal opponent; frankly I love you and want to see you saved in Eternity with the one who suffered your separation from God for you, as for me. But to the extend that you want to break down the consistency and integrity of our society, fomenting doublemindedness and ease of sinning against one's God, oneself and one's neighbors who have to pay taxes at least, to clean up the spreading grease spots that people make of thier lives, to the extent that by our legal institutions you want to by default promulgate a fallacy that doing harm doesn't really do harm (that there are no bad consequences of the behavior that breaks down socieity) you are my political opponent. To the extent that you want law to condone evil by its shrugging silence, you are against America.
It is simple begging the question to say that the statist, unconstitutional wrongs committed by government in the War on Drugs, for example is reason to throw the moral suasion of law out with the bathwater.
It is also silliness to say that the failures of the prohibition of alcohol (which has a consistent acceptence in society, even as a test of one's self-discipline, to use and not abuse) is proof that we should legalize essentially worthless and harmful practices such as penetration of mens (and boys) anuses with penises (ask proctologists about the harm, not to mention endocrinologists) or shooting horse, etc.
Let's have a sane assessment and perhaps some day, even a pronounced set of findings to this discussion in freerepublic.com. But let's do it based on historical analysis and the use of inner sense and not the reactive resentment of such things, simply because others who react against God's own workings in our history have lately lead to the popularization of essential vice.
(I likely won't ping Mr. R. in this thread anymore --or in others for awhile, now.)
I agree with your statements, unspun - the problem with liberaltarians (and I'm sure you know this better than I do - I've only been on FR for a half a year and before that I didn't really know much about them) is that they cannot think. Their decision to equate vice with freedom has polluted their hearts, so when they try to see reality they are only seeing a phantasmagoria.
They remind me of a guy I used to know slightly in my (long ago) drug taking days. He used to ingest quantities of belladonna, and it put him in a total alternate reality. He saw chairs that weren't there, didn't see the ones that were. Talked to imaginary people, didn't see the ones in the room, etc. An imaginary world created by some hidden corner of his mind.
I don't suppose you see something odd in a government having the authority to ban you from owning atoms? Or bacteria?
Ah well. Just must be me.
I think folks such as Nero, Trajan, and Caligula said the same thing
Big difference between Christians and Fundie Freaks.
We have societies/cultures in order to behave by certain standards. (Trust you're with me so far, this is pretty basic. ;-)
We're changing the standards now. Your time is over.
A nice long rant to tell me that you think you have the right to impose your religious values on the rest of us by force of arms.
You don't. And history has already decided that.
You'll notice you lost the last battle (gay sex). Want to bet odds on whatever the next one is? 3 out 5? :)
1.) Leviticus 18 verse 22. BTW it is MO that failure to heed Lev. 18 v21 is at the root of many of todays ills.
2.) Leviticus 20 verse 13.
I guess my question as a lay person would be do you believe homosexuals are created by God that way and if so why? Another mystery to me. Or do you believe homosexuality to be a learned lifestyle using free will choice as a basis? I must admit this troubles me on a few levels. Firstly I know that I am a sinner and as such I would loathe to throw a stone. Secondly I would say that I do detest the sin but if a person were to live their social life in a goodly manner I would have no reason to want to condemn. Another words if it truly was a private matter then no cause for strife would exist. Do we need a government to declare the actual act of sodomy illegal? Wouldn't the laws against lewd and lascivious behavior, assault and rape already incorporate sodomy if it was performed in front of witnesses? We all come to God on His terms when called or we ignore Him at our own peril. And that I believe is very private and protected in this country. Please correct me if someone (or some court) has changed that because I will need to make travel and real estate plans.
C-ya soon I'm going surfing USA. Love.