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I've got a chance to check in and find I missed the ball. Thanks anyway for the pings. I started reading through the thread. Got to around 101 posts and started developing another paine. So I really don't feel like reading into it much further. The only thing I would like to add if it hasn't already been reminded is:

1.) Leviticus 18 verse 22. BTW it is MO that failure to heed Lev. 18 v21 is at the root of many of todays ills.

2.) Leviticus 20 verse 13.

I guess my question as a lay person would be do you believe homosexuals are created by God that way and if so why? Another mystery to me. Or do you believe homosexuality to be a learned lifestyle using free will choice as a basis? I must admit this troubles me on a few levels. Firstly I know that I am a sinner and as such I would loathe to throw a stone. Secondly I would say that I do detest the sin but if a person were to live their social life in a goodly manner I would have no reason to want to condemn. Another words if it truly was a private matter then no cause for strife would exist. Do we need a government to declare the actual act of sodomy illegal? Wouldn't the laws against lewd and lascivious behavior, assault and rape already incorporate sodomy if it was performed in front of witnesses? We all come to God on His terms when called or we ignore Him at our own peril. And that I believe is very private and protected in this country. Please correct me if someone (or some court) has changed that because I will need to make travel and real estate plans.

C-ya soon I'm going surfing USA. Love.

Thank you so much for the Scriptures!

WRT to your questions, the main thing I have to say is that anything which is an abomination to God is an abomination to me, but all that I may do is hate the sin, I must love the sinner.

WRT to the laws, the Scriptures are rather clear that He will remove His protection and blessing from the nation that turns its back on Him. The U.S. was founded on Judeo/Christian moral absolutes. Giving them up will have dire consequences.

OTOH, how far the law can and should go to mandate moral absolutes, I cannot say. But we the Christians ought to pray earnestly for a national spiritual revival.

My two cents...

Do we need a government to declare the actual act of sodomy illegal?

I'm just not sure this is the very best question (nor do I imply that you meant it to be). I think a better question might be, "What is the most beneficial way for the most appropriate government to be of good influence, regarding this problem?"

There are many things a government can do to be instructive-to-disciplinary ("discipline" means "teach," at it's root) short of breaking down people's doors.

(I tend to think that we conservatives need to refrain from being twisted pretzels and knots by John Locke's double negative.)