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WEB SELLERS BURN TAX-DODGE PUFFERS
New York Post ^ | 6/29/03 | AL GUART

Posted on 06/29/2003 1:49:58 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:15:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

New Yorkers dodging heavy taxes on cigarettes by buying from Native American sellers on the Internet could be hearing soon from the taxman.

Under a settlement in the federal appeals court, the Ojibwa Trading Post, a popular online cigarette vendor based in upstate New York, has agreed to report its sales and hand over customer names to authorities every two weeks, effective immediately.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: addicts; alctobaccofirearms; atf; cigarettes; cigarettetaxes; indians; internet; nativeamericans; newyork; pufflist; reservations; stinkyclothes; stinkyfingers; taxes; tobacco; tobaccotaxes; websales; yellowteeth
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1 posted on 06/29/2003 1:49:58 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
There is something ironic about the government going after the Indians over untaxed tobacco. If the British were somehow involved it would be even more ironic.

>>the state is poised to enforce a new law imposing fines and jail time on commercial shippers who deliver untaxed smokes. <<

Smacking down the truckers?
2 posted on 06/29/2003 1:56:30 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been banned.)
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To: SheLion
ping
3 posted on 06/29/2003 2:11:22 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
There is a "truth" ad running on tv right now. It has a big pile of money that is supposed to represent how much money tobacco companies make off of evil cigarettes.

A truer ad would show that stack and then the pile of money that the state and federal government collects in taxes on cigarette sales.

4 posted on 06/29/2003 3:01:17 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Jeff Chandler
Deese cigarettes fell offa the back of a truck someplace. For sale... cheap!
5 posted on 06/29/2003 3:02:38 AM PDT by weegee
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To: kattracks
So much for consenting adults in the privacy of their homes (placing online orders).

I thought that retailers were taxed on sales and that many chose to pass that tax along to their customers.

I would think that the seller would be liable for paying the tax, not the buyers. Is there a tax duty that must be paid by the buyer for cigarettes purchased by visitors to an Indian reservation?

6 posted on 06/29/2003 3:05:29 AM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
So much too, for that whole congress having authority over interstate commerce.

The sovereign Indian nations are not beholden to NY state tax laws.
7 posted on 06/29/2003 4:23:55 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: SheLion; *puff_list
Take a peek at this little gem.
8 posted on 06/29/2003 4:50:56 AM PDT by metesky (Let us go among them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, "The Searchers")
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To: weegee; All
I am one of those ordering from this seller. Now what do I do? I do not want the Feds after me...
9 posted on 06/29/2003 6:05:29 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: jacquej
Quit smoking.

The best way to foil the taxman who places outrageous taxes on cigarettes is not to smoke. If you don't purchase cigarettes, you won't have to pay the taxes.

You want to smoke? Fine. But then it's a choice to pay the taxes. It's very hard to be sympathetic. Sure, I'd like to see lower (or no special - only ordinary sales) taxes on tobacco products, but I'm in the minority as are you. If enough people disagree, eventually, you will get rid of the taxes.

I suppose if you want to defy the law, you could purchase tobacco products on the reservation in person, with cash, arriving by bus and using an alias. Seems like a whole lot of trouble to me.

10 posted on 06/29/2003 6:29:33 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: CatoRenasci
:::Sigh::: You are right, of course. I will try once again to quit.
11 posted on 06/29/2003 6:38:13 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: CatoRenasci
Quit smoking.....It's very hard to be sympathetic.

How sneeringly statist of you.

12 posted on 06/29/2003 6:40:22 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: CatoRenasci
The best way to foil the taxman who places outrageous taxes on cigarettes is not to smoke. If you don't purchase cigarettes, you won't have to pay the taxes.

I suppose the best answer to the Stamp Act was to quit doing any official business with the Crown.

Quitting, my dear sir, has never been an American response.

I personally would like to see a rebirth of the Sons of Liberty and the trashing of a few tax collectors homes.

Someone else would have to do it of course, as I smoke too much to make a running getaway. LOL!

Seriously, I'd like to see a two week boycott of all tobacco vendors nationwide and a simultanious boycott of the restaurant and bar business.

Two weeks of zero income for Federal and state governments, tobacco companies, restaurants and bars should be just about long enough for these bullies (govs), spineless toads(tobacco companies), and deluded "even playing field" cretins (restaurant and bar owners) to see where their bread is buttered.

13 posted on 06/29/2003 6:52:51 AM PDT by metesky (Let us go among them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, "The Searchers")
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To: jacquej
You either want to or you don't, period.

But allowing yourself to be browbeaten into submission, into downcast foot-shuffling, by some online character you don't even know doesn't speak well for character strength, does it now?

Boo freakin' hoo...

14 posted on 06/29/2003 6:56:24 AM PDT by metesky (Let us go among them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, "The Searchers")
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To: CatoRenasci
Quit smoking.

The best way to foil the taxman who places outrageous taxes on cigarettes is not to smoke. If you don't purchase cigarettes, you won't have to pay the taxes.

You want to smoke? Fine. But then it's a choice to pay the taxes. It's very hard to be sympathetic. Sure, I'd like to see lower (or no special - only ordinary sales) taxes on tobacco products, but I'm in the minority as are you. If enough people disagree, eventually, you will get rid of the taxes.

I suppose if you want to defy the law, you could purchase tobacco products on the reservation in person, with cash, arriving by bus and using an alias. Seems like a whole lot of trouble to me.

As a matter of principal, I don't believe that governments should use taxes to either encourage or discourage any voluntary actions. Using taxes in this way violates what taxes are supposed to be for (funding the government) by setting up a situation where the government is making money, but that money will decrease over time, since the taxation will ultimately reduce usage, which will require even higher taxes to sustain the levels of income.

I'm all for evading these sort of taxes. I believe that the entire tobacco settlement was wrong. I even wrote to RJR that they should "fess-up" and move all production and assets overseas, and refuse to sell their products in the US anymore. Can you imagine the outcry if the governments (state and federal) were to lose that cash cow?

Mark

15 posted on 06/29/2003 7:47:00 AM PDT by MarkL (OK, I'm going to crawl back under my rock now!)
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To: CatoRenasci
The best way to foil the taxman who places outrageous taxes on cigarettes is not to smoke.

Kind of hard for even otherwise intelligent people to resist posturing, isn't it.
It is so easy totally to miss the essence of the principle.

First they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Jew.
It takes little or no effort to renounce one's faith. Why not to escape injustice?
Then they came for the communists
And I did not speak out -
Because I was not a communist.
Do you realize how easy it is to deny that you're communist?
Takes very little effort.
Hollywood did it successfully in the 30s 40s and 50s, and they contnue to this day. So that's never a problem.
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out -
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Millions of people earn a very good living without becoming unionists, so this has got to be super-easy to avoid.
Then they came for me -
And there was no-one left
To speak out for me.
Pastor Niemöller, 1938

Of course you're perfect, so there is nothing to worry about there...

Of course, you may be bald.
Bald people have no right to live...
Can we "vote" on that too?

16 posted on 06/29/2003 7:59:38 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: metesky
Two weeks of zero income for Federal and state governments, tobacco companies, restaurants and bars should be just about long enough for these bullies (govs), spineless toads(tobacco companies), and deluded "even playing field" cretins (restaurant and bar owners) to see where their bread is buttered.

I smoke because I choose to, and try to ignore the social manipulators who use the guns and authority of government to control others, but...
To send a clear message, I could easily go a month without tobacco, or non-food purchases of any kind, for that matter.
Let's see...
8.5% of 25%... that should be noticeable.

17 posted on 06/29/2003 8:04:19 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: kattracks
People will start to buy offshore, like everything else.
18 posted on 06/29/2003 8:06:10 AM PDT by July 4th
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To: MarkL
Exactly,the whole tobacco tax and settlements were nothing more than government shakedown/extortion of private business and private conduct with a legal product. If you don't pay they come after you with guns to take either your money/property or your freedom to jail. It's a shakedown with the shakedown artist Bill at the top. Imagine that, an American president leading the effort to shakedown Americans for money. I believe history will look at this that way once the emotional aspect is over.
19 posted on 06/29/2003 8:15:42 AM PDT by chuckwalla
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To: Publius6961
Kind of hard for even otherwise intelligent people to resist posturing, isn't it.

Absolutely. I read this moronic post implying if that a cigarette sales tax would lead inexorably to tyranny.

20 posted on 06/29/2003 8:20:31 AM PDT by edsheppa
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