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Reaction sharp to 'gay' sex ruling: Supreme Court decision said to 'awaken sleeping giant'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, June 27, 2003 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 06/26/2003 10:33:43 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Reaction from groups opposed to "gay" sex was quick and sharp following the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling this morning rejecting a Texas law banning homosexual intercourse, with one organization predicting the decision would "awaken the sleeping giant."

"This decision will serve as a wakeup call to the majority of Americans who believe in traditional marriage and oppose same-sex unions," said Mathew D. Staver, president and general counsel of Liberty Counsel, a public-interest law firm that filed a brief urging justices to uphold the law.

"Today's decision is a very narrow one because it only applies to laws in a handful of states," Staver said. "However, taking away any rights of the states to regulate same-sex sexual conduct should raise the concerns of everyone who believes in preserving traditional marriage."

In rejecting the law, the high court said in its 6-3 ruling that states cannot punish homosexual couples for engaging in sex acts that are legal for heterosexuals.

In defending the law, however, Texas state officials argued it promoted the institutions of marriage and family and insisted communities have the right to choose their own standards.

"There is no constitutional right to engage in homosexual sodomy," said Kelly Shackelford, chief counsel of the Liberty Legal Institute, which also filed an amicus brief, on behalf of nearly 70 Texas legislators. "Read the Constitution as many times as you'd like. It's not there."

Ken Connor, president of the Family Research Council, a conservative advocacy group, said the law in general "has historically respected and protected the marital union and has distinguished it from acts outside that union, such as fornication, adultery and sodomy."

"To extend homosexual sodomy the same protections given to the marital union would undermine the definition of marriage and could open the door for homosexual marriage," Connor, an attorney, said.

Now that the Texas law has been overturned, Connor said, "homosexual activists will use the ruling to legally challenge the definition of marriage as the union between one man and one woman."

Until the 1960s, every state prohibited sodomy, but Texas was one of just 13 states in which a law exists and one of only four that banned same-sex sodomy only. The rarely enforced laws carry penalties ranging from fines to 10 years in prison.

Writing for the majority in today's ruling, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy said the Texas law "demeans the lives of homosexual persons."

In a statement, the Human Rights Campaign supported the high court's decision.

"This is an historic day for fair-minded Americans everywhere," said HRC Executive Director Elizabeth Birch. "We are elated and gratified that the Supreme Court, in its wisdom, has seen discriminatory state sodomy laws for what they are – divisive, mean-spirited laws that were designed to single out and marginalize an entire group of Americans for unequal treatment."

But other groups saw the decision as a politically motivated attempt to change the way Americans think about traditional sex-related acts.

"This case is all about a small group attempting to force their agenda on the rest of the country, since they could not win it through the democratic process," Shackleford said. "The Constitution does not change overnight on the whim of judges to legislate morality for the rest of the country. This decision is wrong and emphasizes the importance of having judicial-restraint justices on the court."

Staver agreed. "The split decision underscores the importance of the next Supreme Court appointment, not only on the issue of abortion but now on the issue of same-sex unions," he said.

Michael Adams, an attorney and spokesman for Lambda Legal Defense Fund, which brought the case, insisted opponents have been overstating the implications.

"For us, the case asks a germane, basic question, which is whether the government has the right to invade the privacy of any citizen in this country," he said.

However, Staver countered, "regulating homosexual conduct and marriage is the right of the people, to be exercised through the legislative, rather than judicial branches of government."

"Today's decision has awakened a sleeping giant and will galvanize and reinvigorate the majority of Americans who believe in traditional marriage but have ignored the radical agenda of the same-sex marriage movement," Staver said. "The goal of the radical homosexual agenda is to eliminate any and all laws regulating consensual sexual conduct."

A noted woman's group was also upset by the decision.

"The ruling … comes from Supreme Court justices who believe in a 'living' and 'evolving' theory of the Constitution – it's as if the Founders wrote it on a blackboard and gave them an eraser and chalk," said Jan LaRue, chief counsel for Concerned Women for America, which also filed a brief in the case supporting the Texas law.

She sees further erosion of laws against other sex-related crimes.

"If there's no rational basis for prohibiting same-sex sodomy by consenting adults, then state laws prohibiting prostitution, adultery, bigamy and incest are at risk," she said.

"No doubt, homosexual activists will try to bootstrap this decision into a mandate for same-sex marriage," added Sandy Rios, president of CWA.

The decision was also a blow to the nation's historically Christian-based standards of conduct, said a Wisconsin group.

"The decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to strike down the law which criminalizes sodomy in Texas is a lawless decision which flies in the face of the foundational law upon which this nation was founded, the laws of nature and of nature's God," Wisconsin Christians United said in a statement.

"And so America slips deeper into anarchy and becomes even more deserving of the judgment Almighty God is even now beginning to visit on this nation," the group said.


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Friday, June 27, 2003

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1 posted on 06/26/2003 10:33:44 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
"And so America slips deeper into anarchy and becomes even more deserving of the judgment Almighty God is even now beginning to visit on this nation," the group said.

Way to go out there and get people on your side.

I hate it when other conservatives sound like the Taliban or some other Islamic jihadis.
2 posted on 06/26/2003 10:43:52 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (NO MULLIGANS- BILL SIMON, KEEP OUT OF THE RECALL ELECTION!)
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To: TheAngryClam
I hate it when other conservatives sound like the Taliban or some other Islamic jihadis.

Zip up your pants. Your agenda is showing.

3 posted on 06/26/2003 10:47:27 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
It might surprise you, but I am in fact heterosexual.

I simply have a deep and abiding antipathy for religious fundamentalists, be they Islamic or Christian.
4 posted on 06/26/2003 10:51:33 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (NO MULLIGANS- BILL SIMON, KEEP OUT OF THE RECALL ELECTION!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Until we make it illegal for heterosexuals, or anyone for that matter, to engage in fornication or adultery, I don't see how I can tell anyone not to have sex straight or gay, from a legal standpoint.

Since the illegalization of fornication and adultery isn't coming any time soon I don't see why we should force morality of homosexuals by way of fine or jail time, that we heterosexual aren't willing to embrace jail time for premarital sex or fooling around our spouses.

Just my opinion

6 posted on 06/26/2003 10:56:18 PM PDT by PropheticZero
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To: JohnHuang2
If this keeps up I would imagine the republicans will end up with a 60-40 senate in 2004. LOL!
7 posted on 06/26/2003 10:57:35 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Kevin Curry
Oh come on, the guy has a fundamental opposition to Theocracies, so you accuse him of being a homosexual? That is pretty weak and simple minded. I guess pointing this out makes me a fag now too in your world.
8 posted on 06/26/2003 10:58:40 PM PDT by bluefish
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To: McGavin999
What difference will that make? This Supreme Court is composed of 7 Republicans. 7 out of 9. Imagine what a liberal court would do.
9 posted on 06/26/2003 11:00:06 PM PDT by shred
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To: shred
Just remember... Alberto Gonzales is Spanish for "David Souter."
10 posted on 06/26/2003 11:06:27 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (NO MULLIGANS- BILL SIMON, KEEP OUT OF THE RECALL ELECTION!)
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To: JohnHuang2
If homosexual behavior was treated more as a public-health issue and less as a moral dilemma, the so-called civil rights aspect would disappear.

However, as long as the body-count remains low, we will continue to fuss about the niceties of nooky rather than the consequences of plague.

11 posted on 06/26/2003 11:07:17 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: PropheticZero
One question...

If Texas had a law making marital sex illegal would it be constitutional?

Would I be right if I argued against such a law, because the "right" for me to have sex with my future wife has not been specifically laid out in the constitution.

Would I be wrong for fighting it all the way up to the supreme court?

Would the supreme court be wrong for overturning such a law?

It seems the gay "agenda" would lose a lot of steam if we didn't try forcing them to play by a different set of rules than us.

Kind of like those silly slaves wanting freedom. We knew better then too. Psychologist had a name for the psychosis that slaves that ran away more than twice obviously had.

12 posted on 06/26/2003 11:08:19 PM PDT by PropheticZero
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To: PropheticZero
You make a dumb argument because sex is always about reproduction and survival while genital stimulation is simply about gratification; just because they changed the definitions of the terms should not spoil the focus of the debate.
13 posted on 06/26/2003 11:12:20 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: TheAngryClam
I hate it when other conservatives sound like the Taliban or some other Islamic jihadis.

You're not alone. I haven't counted but there must be at least 20 threads about this USSC ruling --some of which have over 1500 replies. The Big Government moral crusaders are absolutely despondant over this. The wailing and gnashing of teeth from these folks who believe that Free Republic equals Christian Theocracy has been entertaining.

Personally, I like chicks so I don't really have a dog in this fight.

Then again, I also like freedom and believe that this country has way too many laws. Anytime a law is erased is reason to applaud.

Good job, USSC!

14 posted on 06/26/2003 11:14:28 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Old Professer
If your refer to HIV and AIDS I think if I remember right the reason the rates are higher with homosexual is that theres a lower tendency to wear condoms, as theres a significantly lowered chance for unwanted pregnancies occuring.

You can get and transmit aids just as easy with heterosexual forms of sex, or anal sex between a man and a woman.

So the act itself cannot be considered the reason for the transmission, as a responsible homosexual might be able to have relatively safe intercourse.

Then your down maintaining a ban against homosexuals based on the same irresposibilities that a heterosexual person could have.

If we banned premarital sex would could cut down on unwanted pregnancies, but would that make it right to tell people they can't have sex.

Just some thoughts

15 posted on 06/26/2003 11:14:45 PM PDT by PropheticZero
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To: PropheticZero
It seems the gay "agenda" would lose a lot of steam if we didn't try forcing them to play by a different set of rules than us.

Homosexuals want precisely a different set of rules: they want their abnormalites to be treated as normal.

Kind of like those silly slaves wanting freedom.

Not at all. There is no moral equivalence between slavery and laws against same-sex sodomy, as there is no inherent moral equvalence between being black and engaging in homosexual behavior.

If you don't believe me, ask someone who's black.


16 posted on 06/26/2003 11:16:14 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Old Professer
So maybe we should create a law making condoms and birth control illegal. Because sex is always about reproduction? And therefore banning birth control would "promote the institution of marriage."
17 posted on 06/26/2003 11:17:51 PM PDT by PropheticZero
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To: TheAngryClam
Oh Yeah.
18 posted on 06/26/2003 11:20:18 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Drew68
The Big Government moral crusaders are absolutely despondant over this.

That's exactly backwards. This pandorian ruling is a federal usurpation of states' authority, and will lead to many more excesses.

If you want a consenting adults law, the place to do it is in your state legislature or via state referendum. The regulation, or not, of homosexual behavior in the private square is not a legitimate federal matter.

Big government won a huge and unfortunate victory today.


19 posted on 06/26/2003 11:21:55 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Drew68
I personally have mixed feelings on this decision.

I think that sodomy laws are the epitome of stupid and meddling government.

On the other hand, I am extremely uncomfortable about the means (this decision) used to reach that end (ending those laws).

The Supreme Court expanded yet again their invention of a right of privacy from the 14th Amendment, ignored the importance of precedent to our legal system's stability, and usurped the power of the people of the states.

It reminds me of a passage from Barry Goldwater (another person who was in favor of relaxing society's strictures on homosexuals in order to promote wider freedom from government):

It so happens that I am in agreement with the objectives of the Supreme Court as stated in the Brown decision. I believe that it is both wise and just for negro children to attend the same schools as whites, and that to deny them this opportunity carries with it strong implications of inferiority. I am not prepared, however, to impose that judgment of mine on the people of Mississippi or South Carolina, or to tell them what methods should be adopted and what pace should be kept in striving toward that goal. That is their business, not mine. I believe that the problem of race relations, like all social and cultural problems, is best handled by the people directly concerned. Social and cultural change, however desirable, should not be effected by the engines of national power. Let us, through persuasion and education, seek to improve institutions we deem defective. But let us, in doing so, respect the orderly processes of the law. Any other course enthrones tyrants and dooms freedom.

I'm in complete agreement with the argument. Just change segregation to "sodomy laws."

The proper venue for this was not the legal system, but the legislature. And for that, I am upset.
20 posted on 06/26/2003 11:22:05 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (NO MULLIGANS- BILL SIMON, KEEP OUT OF THE RECALL ELECTION!)
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