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FBI seeking all Makarov replacement barrels
Michigan Gun Owners Message Boards ^ | 6-25-03 | Jim Simmons

Posted on 06/25/2003 9:02:53 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan

FBI seeking all Makarov replacement barrels

The FBI is conducting a nationwide campaign to seize, and ballistically fingerprint, all Makarov 9 mm replacement barrels manufactured by Federal Arms Corp.

Anyone who has purchased a barrel from FAC may receive a call from the FBI, asking that they "voluntarily" surrender the gun and the barrel so the FBI can fire two rounds through it to take a ballistic fingerprint.

This appears to be part of the investigation into the homicide of Thomas Wales, an Assistant U.S. Attorney who was murdered in his Seattle, WA home in October, 2001. Wales was also involved in Washington CeaseFire, a gun control group. Apparently, ballistics from his homicide indicate that the fatal rounds were fired from a Makarov replacement barrel.

If you are contacted by the FBI regarding your Makarov replacment barrel, contact an attorney IMMEDIATELY before you talk to them or before you surrender your barrels to them.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; fac; makarov; pm; tommauser; tomwales
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To: All
All these people are now suspects in the murder.

Wonderful investigation technique.

Gun owners of any sort will all be suspects soon is this is allowed.

How many glock-9's out there?
How many of any type of gun out there?
How many criminals will turn in thier gun for testing?

21 posted on 06/25/2003 10:57:02 PM PDT by Stopislamnow (Rope, ammo, guns, and a new affirmation of the Constitution are the only ways to take America back.)
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To: CurlyDave
Yeah, something smells. Before going too far down the road on this one, though, I'll need to see some corroboration.

The source may be reliable, but all too often things can get blown out of proportion. In this case "all" may actually be "a few". I would want to see this from an official source before getting my panties in a bunch.

But no matter what, if I got a call from the FBI, or anyone else, for that matter, asking me to submit one or more of my guns for criminal tests, you better damn well believe I would be on the phone with one or more lawyers and a bunch of officials in my jurisdiction from the sheriff to the dogcatcher to make sure it was legit, and also to make sure that proper oversight and legal procedures were followed to the letter.

I am not the type to do anything like that quietly or without a solid paper trail.

22 posted on 06/25/2003 11:54:15 PM PDT by Imal (Why buy French whine when they give it away so freely?)
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To: lawdog
FBI= competence by volume. skill is overrated.
23 posted on 06/26/2003 1:35:56 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: westmex
Two lady agents came out to the house on 27 May to pick up the pistol..I had changed the barrel and later changed it back to the original...So, they wanted both the gun and replacement barrel...I called back Monday and got the story they had a barrel press on the way and I should be getting the gun back next week...

Did you mark the barrels in any way to insure that the ones you get back are the ones they took?

24 posted on 06/26/2003 2:03:47 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Dan from Michigan
What the stupid. Any criminal can drill through a barrel and erase the prints.

Meanwhile a user who has a similar print (yes, machine tools tend to repeat errors) will be accused.

The murder is probably work done by gun grabbers in the first place, and the mean to acquire data on the criminal through "finger print" ludicrous oxymoron (guns do not have genetic make up nor ballistic prints that are permanent) smells the gun grabber test.
25 posted on 06/26/2003 3:03:36 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Justa; Cicero
You two are having a problem mastering FLEL-THINK (Federal Law Enforcement Logic). Let me walk you through this pari passu

Sophisticated scientific mumbojammery which no one outside the government could possibly understand, indicates that the vic was shot by the perp using a Makarov with a Fedarmco barrel. No doubt about it.
Now by getting every available Mak barrel made by Fedarmco, and using the same mumbojammery to "fingerprint" them, our government servants will build a database of those who did NOT do it. Since, brilliant forensic psycho-warriors that they are, they know that the perp is unlikely to turn his Mak Fedarmco replacement barrel in, all they have to do is interrogate everyone else. What don't you get?

They will then carefully eliminate innocent suspects until the crazed caucasian militia-fanatic lone gunman is isolated by this process of elimination and drives his white van with the ladder on the roof rack to the Smokies, where he will be surrounded in a cave by ATF agents.

I had feared that when PC Moose, Ph.D, resigned to pursue literature, this sort of straight-forward logical law-enforcement would be lost to us. Not so. Moose lives on in spirit in the world of FLEL-THINK!

26 posted on 06/26/2003 4:23:12 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: westmex
Two lady agents came out to the house on 27 May to pick up the pistol.

Without a warrant, you could have politely told them "no thanks" and started quoting the Bill of Rights to them.

If these two lady agents were cute, you could have flirted with them, and stared at them before telling them "no".

27 posted on 06/26/2003 6:08:26 AM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: Mulder
On what basis could they ever get a warrant?
28 posted on 06/26/2003 6:09:15 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
On what basis could they ever get a warrant?

I don't think they could, unless they could find a corrupt judge.

29 posted on 06/26/2003 6:11:55 AM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Now why would someone, who knows where their firearm was, actually give the FBI their gun??
30 posted on 06/26/2003 6:25:04 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: Bogey78O
"Only the killer will refuse. So whoever refuses has to be a criminal."

Nice, and that is the whole point, isn't it? "Good Comrades, only the killer...."
31 posted on 06/26/2003 6:26:18 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: westmex
Collaborating with unconstitutional and abusive police state agents is nothing to be proud of.
32 posted on 06/26/2003 6:28:11 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Dan from Michigan
Gosh Officer, I'd be happy to reply, but both of mine fell out of my pocket into the drink when I was down at the wharf last night.
33 posted on 06/26/2003 6:30:18 AM PDT by dersepp (I Am A Militia Of One)
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To: Bogey78O; FreedomPoster; Travis McGee
"I've only used cash. With the exception of one pistol I bought."

"My last homeland defense rifle was bought with 11 single 20$ bills."

My last homeland defense rifle purchase was made with a 10' jon boat and trolling motor.

My next one involves an old toyota.

Barter is a good thing. ; ^ )>

34 posted on 06/26/2003 6:32:16 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (game on in 10 seconds....)
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To: jdege
bang ping
35 posted on 06/26/2003 6:32:28 AM PDT by Johnny Gage (We will not tire, We will not falter, We will not fail. - George W. Bush)
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To: viligantcitizen
That Toyota's title history has your name on it. Cash and gloves, the only way.
36 posted on 06/26/2003 7:28:30 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Buy American, the Nation you save may be your own)
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To: Bogey78O
Only the killer will refuse. So whoever refuses has to be a criminal.

Or those who don't want to be framed for a killing that the FBI itself may have committed. Wales was involved in the investigation of FBI agents implicated in narcotics smuggling across the Canadian border.

Means, motive and opportunity- IF they get someone else's Makarov to use as a stterile assassination weapon to clean up another of their own problems, or for use in pinning the last one on the next Richard Jewell/Hatfill/James Earl Ray/Oswald they can dig up. Don't embarass the Bureau, fellas.

-archy-/-

37 posted on 06/26/2003 7:48:45 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Now why would someone, who knows where their firearm was, actually give the FBI their gun??

I had one, but sold it to a cop.

-archy-/-

38 posted on 06/26/2003 7:50:10 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Imal; Travis McGee; DoughtyOne; *bang_list
I wonder just how many of these barrels FAC has sold? If the number is in the tens of thousands, then this is completely absurd.

More like dozens, probably several hundred. The PM Makarov is a popular handgun, and those who use one and fail to clean it afterward find out pretty quickly what the effects of Soviet-Bloc corrosive-primer ammunition are, requiring a replacement barrel if continued effective use is to continue. The Makarov's design allows the simple and easy replacement of barrels with an inexpensive barrel press or large vise, and their stainless steel construction is favoured by some users as one antidote to the corrosive ammo effects problem; others like to change the caliber to the more easily available .380 caliber while they're at it, and the threaded fitting available on the FAC barrels allows the addition of a silencer or sound suppressor in those states where their purchase is legal, or a barrel muzzle weight for target shooters more used to longer-barrelled handguns with a bit more weight up front. And many of those expecting that the use of their handgun might take place at night find a flash suppressor might be a good idea after trying the ex-commie ammo at night.

Federal Arms Corporation replacement barrel info *here.* If you get one, tell Harlan that archy sent ya.

-archy-/-

39 posted on 06/26/2003 8:11:53 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Dan from Michigan; wardaddy; Squantos; harpseal; archy; Mulder
I'm very certain that the killer has the murder weapon sitting in his bed-side table drawer, and when he hears about this, he will call the FBI and turn it in for testing.

FBI = Famous But Incompetent

I'll bet it took a GS-15 to dream up this hare brained idea.

40 posted on 06/26/2003 8:19:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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